You're losing it, man!
Every claim I made about Gingrich votes was ultimately backed up with links to his Yea votes for the referenced legislation.
It is you who attempted (without success) to twist the facts by claiming Gingrich did not vote for the bills I referenced. You went so far as to post links to bills I had not referenced in an attempt to dispel my claims. You also claimed he voted Nay for one of the bills I referenced by linking to votesmart.org where it clearly showed he had voted Yea. (That was the only part of the summary you left out. How convenient!)
Anyone who subscribes to this group can scan the archives, click the links, and find out for themselves who is twisting facts.
On 06/04/2011 12:22 PM, Keith In Köln wrote:
Jonathan!It was just a few days (or maybe it was weeks?) that you and Michael were jumping all over Newt Gingrich because his actions were purportedly different than his speeches and what he said in public, (and then we learned that it wasn't nearly like that once we started actually looking at the Bills and legislation that actually got passed.....Remember?) and now, you want to take a speech that Lou Rockwell made seven years ago, and somehow make this into me, twisting facts.I think not.
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashleyII@lavabit.com> wrote:
Keith,
Once again you are wrong.
"As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives, and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others." Lew Rockwell, Libertarian Party Convention, 2004. Sounds like he knows what a libertarian is.
As for ObamaCare, there are 378 articles on lewrockwell.com regarding this "obamanation." I challenge you to find even one that supports of your contention that Rockwell has supported it "to some varying degree."
You are getting to be as bad as Tommy For News. You know what you know -- damn the facts.
How is it you make a living as a lawyer? OH! My bad! I momentarily forgot that lawyers make a living twisting facts to benefit their clients.
On 06/04/2011 11:28 AM, Keith In Köln wrote:Hello Jonathan,I could be wrong about this, but I don't think so. I could have only got this from columns that Michael posts, as I don't frequent Lou Rockwell's site any longer, unless it is because of something, as stated, I got from PF, and usually it is Michael that posts Rockwell's articles.Again, feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but "Libertarian" Lou Rockwell supported to some varying degree, ObamaCare. Not only is "Libertarian" and "ObamaCare" oxymoronic, it is glaringly stupid.
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashleyII@lavabit.com> wrote:
I find it interesting that you used the phrase "in truth and fact" twice in your response to MJ, but in one instance, "in truth and fact," you failed to provide any factual evidence to support your claims that Rockwell "is in favor of ObamaCare." or that "Lou (sic) doesn't have a clue what a 'Libertarian' even is."
On 06/04/2011 03:38 AM, Keith In Köln wrote:
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:01 PM, MJ <> wrote:
Rockwell is neither the author of the piece NOR does his name appear within it.===The article appears on LouRockwell.com, where you cut and paste it from:Michael goes on to say:Additionally, the author says nothing regarding the Government Entities of Freddie and Fannie or whether Bush tried to modify their policies. The SAME goes with Clinton, CRA, etc.<scratches head>===
Exactly; proving once again that the author hasn't a clue about what the Hell he is even talking about. Both Rockwell and the author, (Is the Author even American?) ignores the real issue of the, "three year anniversary of the dramatic financial events of September 2008"; which was in truth and fact caused by the communist inspired Democratic initiative, the Community Reinvestment Act. Rockwell, Jens C. Kolbjørnsen (possibly a Swede? I'd love to hear his views on Swedish politics!) obviously don't want to discuss the real culprit, instead focuing and inferring blame on the wront entities.
Eugene Ludwig, President Clinton's Comptroller of the Currency and head of the Office of the Comptroller and Currency, was a strong proponent of expanding the reach of Community Reinvestment Act. Ludwig said in his confirmation hearing that his first priority as Comptroller would be to eliminate
"discrimination from our financial system, root and branch."
Ludwig told bankers,
"If you seize this issue as an opportunity, you will reap the benefits in the form of new business and heightened respect from the press, the Congress, and your communities." (See the CATO Institute, a non-partisan Libertarian Think-Tank, link provided below)
With regard to the Community Reinvestment Act, Clinton Administration Attorney General Janet Reno said,
"No loan is exempt, no bank is immune. For those who thumb their nose at us, I promise vigorous enforcement."
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:90IT4MK9474J:www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv17n4/vmck4-94.pdf+Community+Reinvestment+Act&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us
Finally, Lou Rockwell, the purported "Libertarian" that he is, ignores former President Clinton's admission of guilt. On September 26, 2008, His Holiness said:
"I think the responsibility that the Democrats have, may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress, or by me when I was president, to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac."
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MELTDOWN_ADS?SITE=DCUSN&SECTION=POLITICS&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Lou Rockwell. A political hack, who parades himself as a "Libertarian". A purported "Libertarian" who is ignorant of our history, our culture, our system of government, macro or micro economics, and a purported "Libertarian" who is in favor of ObamaCare. How......Oxymoronic. In truth and fact, Lou doesn't have a clue what a "Libertarian" even is.
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