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My 12 year old, who lives with his (straight) mom, is I think fairly obviously straight, which I like for some reason.
-- I guess I just think it will be easier for him.
Maybe I should adopt a gay kid later, since I'd know how to raise one better than some parents
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 8:05 AM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
Bruce,
Imagine adopting a kid. Raising that kid to do right. come home one
day and find him throwing an Obama-Pelosi fundraiser..... with
Janeane Garofalo helping out at the door. Same general feeling.
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Bruce,
Upon reviewing my post I forgot to mention ONE small thing.... I could
get over the gay thing really fast....
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I guess his boyfriend made him do it.
 | Obama Calls on U.N. to Support Sexual Perversions |
Obama Calls on UN to Support Gay Rights
By Lawrence D. Jones | The Christian Post
The Obama administration on Tuesday called on the United Nations Human Rights Council to fight discrimination against gays and lesbians around the world.
The declaration, supported by 84 other countries, marks the first time the United States has pushed for U.N. action on gay rights.
"Human rights are the inalienable right of every person, no matter who they are or who they love. The U.S. government is firmly committed to supporting the right of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender individuals to lead productive and dignified lives, free from fear and violence," said Eileen Chamberlain Donahoe, U.S. Ambassador to the Human Rights Council in Geneva, in a statement.
Okay, let's play that game: A pedophile loves a little kid. The little kid loves him. According to what U.S. Ambassador Eileen Chamberlain Donahoe has just espoused, a pedophile has an INALIENABLE RIGHT to have sex with a child and, therefore, should be free to lead a productive and dignified life, free from fear and violence.
What? A pedophile a little too drastic for you? Okay, let's tame it down a bit; A 45-year-old man is in love with a 24-year-old woman and she is in love with him. They regularly engage in sex. The problem is, she is his daughter. According to Ambassador Donahoe, they have an INALIENABLE RIGHT to their incestuous relationship.
What about those odd folks who love and have sex with animals? Do they also have an INALIENABLE RIGHT to continue in their perverse ways, too?
Are you beginning to grasp the insanity inherent in her statement?
The move by Obama on Tuesday was seen as a clear departure from George W. Bush's administration, which never pressed for gay and lesbian rights. Unlike his predecessor, Obama has aggressively advocated gay rights during his presidency.
The president in February instructed the Justice Department not to defend the constitutionality of DOMA (the Defense of Marriage Act), the federal law defining marriage as between a man and a woman, and has encouraged Congress to repeal the military's Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy.
Last week, Obama announced in a joint statement with the Brazilian president the creation of a special investigator position to monitor respect for lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgender individuals in the Western Hemisphere.
Oh, great! MORE Dark Overlord, Orwellian type crap! I wouldn't be at all surprised if they decided to call it "The Ministry of Morals and Decency."
The representative of Colombia on Tuesday delivered the full text of the declaration entitled, "Ending Acts of Violence and Related Human Rights Violations Based on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity," before the Human Rights Council in Geneva.
The document calls on governments to "take steps to end acts of violence, criminal sanctions and related human rights violations committed against individuals because of their sexual orientation or gender identity."
Signers also affirmed a 2008 joint statement by a group of states representing all five U.N. regions that called for an end to discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity. In the statement to the U.N., they also commend attention paid to human rights violations based on sexual orientation and gender identity by international human rights mechanisms and within the context of the Universal Periodic Review.
Acknowledging that "these may be sensitive issues for many," the document encouraged the search for "common ground" and asked the Council to "be guided by the principles of universality and non-discrimination" in dealing with these sensitive issues.
Meanwhile, the Vatican contended before the Human Rights Council Tuesday that people who speak against same-sex relationships based on religious or moral beliefs are being attacked and vilified.
"People are being attacked for taking positions that do not support sexual behavior between people of the same sex," Roman Catholic Archbishop Silvano Tomasi told the HRC session, according to Reuters.
"When they express their moral beliefs or beliefs about human nature ... they are stigmatized, and worse - they are vilified, and prosecuted.
"These attacks are violations of fundamental human rights and cannot be justified under any circumstances," Tomasi said.
Yeah, but according to Liberals and Leftists, the INALIENABLE rights of a bunch of queers trump your UNALIENABLE rights to free speech and freedom of religion.
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Soros loves them this I know,
For his commie book tells them so.
Little ones to him belong,
For they'll bang their heads
When he swings his bong.
 | George Soros-sponsored Media Matters training Libtards with boot camp to 'combat' Fox NewsScotty Starnes | March 23, 2011 at 3:00 PM | Tags: David Brock, Fox News, George Soros, liberal media, Media Matters for America, President Obama, Progressive Talent Initiative | Categories: Political Issues | URL: http://wp.me/pvnFC-4PK |
Puppets of Soros
George Soros is the puppet master. He has spent billions to spin facts, and his Media Matters regime, are the masters of spin. Now Media Matters is training the feeble minds of lefties to take on...Fox News. Obama must be proud.
Be scared America! (sarcasm)
From the Washington Post:
"I'm here to be intensely trained," Lee Brenner announced as he came through the door of a discreet building near Dupont Circle.
Typical weak-minded liberal who can't make up his own mind.
The brick carriage house is usually the headquarters of the Mathematical Association of America, but for a few days in the middle of March, the left-wing organization Media Matters for America converted it into a partisan boot camp where rebel forces were trained for combat on Fox News. Over four grueling days, Harvard-honed instructors drilled a dozen softie policy wonks, molding them into an elite unit of smiling, succinct and well-coiffed talking heads.
As Democratic strategist James Carville said: "Ideologies aren't all that important. What's important is psychology.
The Democratic constituency is just like a herd of cows. All you have to do is lay out enough silage and they come running. That's why I became an operative working with Democrats. With Democrats all you have to do is make a lot of noise, lay out the hay, and be ready to use the ole cattle prod in case a few want to bolt the herd.
Eighty percent of the people who call themselves Democrats don't have a clue as to political reality. What amazes me is that you could take a group of people who are hard workers and convince them that they should support social programs that were the exact opposite of their own personal convictions. Put a little fear here and there and you can get people to vote any way you want.
The voter is basically dumb and lazy. The reason I became a Democratic operative instead of a Republican was because there were more Democrats that didn't have a clue than there were Republicans."
Since its inception in August 2009, the Progressive Talent Initiative, or PTI, has trained nearly 100 pundits who have appeared 800 times on television and radio. Media Matters uses that metric to pitch donors for more contributions, but its leadership believes that the surge of camera-ready liberals has recaptured lost ground in the media wars against conservatives.
Yes, having liberal ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, PBS and NPR to spin/hide the truth is just not enough.
"There was a chronic imbalance," said David Brock, the founder of Media Matters, which picks up the entire cost of the course. "We didn't just want to accept that this is the way it is." Brock is a former conservative writer at the American Spectator who was instrumental in efforts to discredit Anita Hill and to oust Bill Clinton, and who made a sharp left turn a decade ago.
Brock and Arianna Huffington have something in common. Both were conservative until money was introduced. And some lefties think liberals hate capitalism.
The primary mission of Media Matters, he said, is to obsessively monitor Fox News and call attention to its distortions. But now it's moving into the operational phase, transforming from observers to shock troops. The organization, he said, had to "professionalize the training and booking" of a left-leaning counterpoise.
...The problem for the soldiers of the left, according to Media Matters instructors, is that they are just too smart for their own good. The traditional dependence on facts and figures, on being right, is no longer germane. Too often these wonks disappear into the policy weeds or fall through the cracks of nuance.
They are soooo smart they were tricked by catchy campaign slogans like "hope and change" & "yes we can." A bunch of Einsteins...according to themselves.
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Homophobic Barbarians: 10 Reasons Every Gay American Needs to Support the War Against Islamofascism
Posted By Megan Fox On March 21, 2011
al-Tirmidhi, Sunan 1:152 – [Muhammad said] "Whoever is found conducting himself in the manner of the people of Lot [homosexuals], kill the doer and the receiver."
For all the screaming about intolerance and bigotry against gays here in America — driven by many people's objection to changing the definition of the centuries-old institution of marriage — many so-called liberals don't seem to notice the actual intolerance and murder being meted out on gays in Muslim countries. Homosexuals living in Muslim countries suffer dire consequences for coming out including whipping, banishment, humiliation and even death by stoning, hanging or familial stabbing in accordance with Islamic law. Homosexuals in the Muslim culture are encouraged to commit suicide rather than bring shame on their families.
While the biggest argument regarding homosexuals in America today revolves around which political party gets to invite them to gala events, gays in the Muslim world are fighting for their very lives. Instead of rallying against the Islamization of the West and the homophobia that comes with it, the Left spends its time identifying conservative "hate groups," none of which include Muslims who hate homosexuals.
There is always the possibility that American gay rights activists haven't heard of the many atrocities perpetrated on homosexuals by Islam due to the deafening silence of the old media on anything that can be construed as criticism of the 'religion of peace.' I aim to change that. The following are ten reasons gays need to join the fight to beat back the growing Islamofascist threat.
10. Bangladesh refugees
Many gays living in Muslim countries have tried to claim refugee status in free nations with tolerant attitudes toward homosexuality. Unfortunately, more often than not, they are denied and told to act less gay to avoid problems in their home countries. An unidentified gay couple from Bangladesh who had been stoned, whipped and threatened with death if caught, tried to seek refugee protections in Australia but were turned down.
When the review tribunal rejected their application for refugee status last year, it said the couple had "lived together for over four years without experiencing any more than minor problems … they clearly conducted themselves in a discreet manner, and there is no reason to suppose that they would not continue to do so if they returned home now."
Minor problems? I've heard Australians are tough, but how much more than stoning, whipping and fatwas on your head do you have to go through before they call it a major problem? For whatever reason, the government of Australia doesn't have much sympathy for gays in the Islamic world. The question is, will they have any sympathy for Australian gays when the Islamists come for them?
Next: Organizing a gay parade in Bosnia is risky business…
9. Gay parade shut down by violent Muslims
Bosnia's first gay parade was interrupted by violent Muslims who attacked the party-goers in a violent rage. The organizers of the event had received death threats before the event, but chose to move forward anyway. When the angry mob attacked, they were shouting, "Kill the gays! Allahu Akbar!"
Still, leftists and some libertarians defend Islam's violent realities. Anything Muslims do is blamed on America's support of Israel at the expense of Muslims. It's the ultimate "get out of jail free" card. Beat up gays? It's okay, America sucks. Blow up women and children? George Bush sucks. Sell young girls into marriage-slavery? Muslims are just so misunderstood.
Instead of spending our time fighting the danger Islam poses to freedom, we spend it trying to understand their motivation for hating us and apologizing for absolutely barbaric behavior while more and more people suffer under Islam. The leftist gay community spends their time protesting Chick-Fil-A.
8. The Cairo 52 and torture of gays in Egypt
A more well-known attack on homosexuals occurred in Egypt in 2004. 52 men, including one teen, were arrested for dancing at a nightclub under false charges of debauchery. Egyptian police have been accused of horrendous incidents of torture, a subject the Left is very vocal about when it involves American soldiers. Curiously, these very same leftists are quiet on the issue when it involves Musim intolerance of gays.
The men were subject to invasive "forensic exams" which included the stripping of the suspects and humiliating searches of body cavities to "prove" homosexual activity. Many times, the suspects are sexually violated in the process (a real head-scratcher, considering the whole reason they were arrested was for allegedly engaging in the same sexual behavior.)
Police routinely torture men suspected of homosexual conduct. The report cites testimonies of victims telling how they were bound, suspended in painful positions, burned with cigarettes or submerged in ice-cold water, and subjected to electroshock on their limbs and genitals.
All 52 men, including the teen, were sentenced to jail time for crimes for which there was no evidence and no witnesses. The American Left continued to call Islam a peaceful and enlightened religion. Gay Americans need to ask themselves: is this the kind of future we want?
Next: In Islamic countries, gays are considered "moral terrorists"…
7. Muslims torch World AIDS day
Several LGBT events in Indonesia were violently attacked by Islamists resulting in many injuries and intimidation. The police, who are sworn to protect people, refused or were unable to stop the attacks. During one recent melee in 2010, the headquarters of the LGBT groups sponsoring an event were vandalized with messages that read, "Gays and lesbians are moral terrorists."
A year earlier, in September 1999, a comparable confrontation occurred at the Dana Hotel in Solo, where the National Gay and Lesbian Network planned to convene for a two-day working meeting. Days before it was scheduled to begin, conservative Muslim organisations, including MUI, learned of the event and proclaimed that it should not take place because it would be 'very embarrassing' and akin to 'legalising the practice of such sexual deviations'. Detractors threatened acts of violence – burning down the hotel and killing participants – which led to the swift cancellation of the meeting.
Even with solid evidence of total Islamic intolerance of homosexuality, Christians still receive the brunt of the Left's vile accusations of homophobia. In reality, homosexuals are far safer and accepted in predominately Christian countries than any Islamic society. It will not always be so if homosexuals don't fight the Islamic sword of intolerance that aims to wipe them off the face of the earth.
6. There are no homosexuals in Iran
Iranian menace Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says Iran doesn't have homosexuals.
In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country…we do not have this phenomenon. I do not know who has told you we have it.
What he left out is the reason Iran is devoid of gays. They kill them.
The Iranian authorities stepped up their crusade against homosexuality in 1990, with a wave of public executions. On the first day of the new crackdown, three gay men were beheaded in a city square in Nahavand, and two women accused of lesbianism were stoned to death in Langrood. Justifying these killings, the Iranian Chief Justice, Morteza Moghtadai, declared: "The religious punishment for the despicable act of homosexuality is death for both parties"
Illustrating more compassion and mercy, Iranian Islamists have no compunction about describing gruesome details of what punishments the Quran prescribes for homosexuals.
They should seize him (or her), they should keep him standing, they should split him in two with a sword, they should either cut off his neck or they should split him from the head…. after he is dead, they bring logs, make a fire and place the corpse on the logs, set fire to it and burn it. Or it should be taken to the top of a mountain and thrown down. Then the parts of the corpse should be gathered together and burnt. Or they should dig a hole, make a fire in the hole and throw him alive into the fire. We do not have such punishments for other offences", boasted the Ayatollah. "There cannot be the slightest degree of mercy or compassion. … Praise be to God."
Why any civilized society tolerates these people is a mystery.
When they aren't executing gays, the Iranian government is forcing them into gender reassignment surgery. The leftist spin and Iranian explanation are one and the same. The high number of transsexuals in Iran, they say, is that Iranians are enlightened and evolved, and as such they allow gender reassignment surgeries for the homosexual population. But the problem with this theory is it's 100% wrong. The only reason Iran allows for these surgeries is to enforce their anti-gay agenda. They want all men and women to be heterosexuals, so if you are a man with homosexual feelings they promise equality if you will just have your genitals removed. But even after gay people (who wouldn't otherwise have this surgery) go through with it, they still face ridicule and even death.
An Iranian man who underwent the gender reassignment surgery and was known as Mahsa was found beaten and stabbed to death. It was discovered her brothers committed the crime. They served ridiculously short sentences.
The two brothers confessed to the killing of Mahsa, and mentioned the reason as "opposing her immorality". Their father, who in Iranian Shari'a law is the Vali'ye Dam (Masa's blood-owner), forgave his two sons for the murder. One brother was sentenced to 8 years in prison, with five years suspended jail time and the other for three with two years suspended jail time. In other words the brothers would only serve three and one year respectively in prison for murder!
The BBC report that focuses on the supposed rights of transsexuals in Iran does a serious disservice to freedom by not reporting that most of the surgeries are forced under threat of death or inability to make a living, not to mention the abuse transsexuals suffer at the hands of "doctors."
Many of those Iranians undergoing operations end up far worse off because of carelessly performed or even incomplete reassignment procedures and absent pre-surgery counseling.
Those individuals who receive psychotherapy are sometimes assaulted and abused by their therapists. There have been incidents where therapists tell their patients to have sex with them if they want to prove that they have feminine emotions. There have been other incidents where transsexuals have been raped by their surgeons. Surgeons are aware that their transsexual patients do not often have financial and/or family support so they commit the sexual violence without fear of any sanction. Often, victims cannot file a complaint with the police as police themselves commit the same sort of acts all the time.
Most transgendered individuals cannot get a job until they go through a sex-change operation and receive a new identification card.
It's not exactly the model of tolerance and acceptance the Left claims to support.
Next: If left up to radical Muslims, gays will die the most terrible deaths possible…
5. Iraqi death squads super-gluing anuses
While it would seem this example should be number one on the list, and certainly is the cruelest example so far, most people realize the number of inhuman acts happening in the Middle East have been happening for hundreds if not thousands of years. While it doesn't make it palatable, we recognize there isn't much the West can do about the horrible conditions under which Middle Eastern despots force their people to live. Despite several attempts to install real democracies in that part of the world, it doesn't appear to be working. The West seems helpless to improve the living conditions of predominately Muslim nations. They continue to fall under the rule of one of two awful choices: hideous dictatorships run by secular tyrants, or hideous dictatorships run by religious tyrants.
In Iraq, the leader of the Shia Muslims, the Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, is viewed as moderate. But a closer look at his own website reveals unspeakable cruelty.
In the Arabic language question and answer section of his website, Sistani calls for the killing of lesbians and gay men in the "worst, most severe way possible".
Iraqi "death squads" have taken him at his word and devised the worst death imaginable.
Iraqi militias have deployed an unprecedented form of torture against homosexuals by using a very strong glue that will close their anus…[it]is known as the Ameri gum, which is an Iranian-manufactured glue that if applied to the skin, sticks to it and can only be removed by surgery. After they glue the anuses of homosexuals, they give them a drink that causes diarrhea. Since the anus is closed, the diarrhea causes death. Videos of this form of torture are being distributed on mobile cell phones in Iraq.
It doesn't seem possible that people can do this to one another, but even more disturbing is the apathetic attitude (or chronic state of denial) of the Left in America when it comes to the threat of Islamofascism. They are always more concerned with unproven anti-Muslim bigotry than with actual Muslim crimes against humanity. The gay community spends its time trying to kick people like Dr. Laura off the airwaves who supported PFLAG openly, who supports gay adoption and civil unions! If gays don't wake up and spot the real threat, they will find themselves with far more serious problems than a conservative psychotherapist who supports traditional marriage.
4. Using the internet to find and kill gays in Iraq
Iraq is at the front of the war against gays these days. In a very candid and chilling interview with an Iraqi gay-hunter, Amir Hazizi gladly admits he uses the internet to lure gay men into meeting him for dates which turn out to be meetings with death squads.
"It is the easiest way to find those people who are destroying Islam and who want to dirty the reputation we took centuries to build up," he said. When he finds them, Hamizi arranges for them to be attacked and sometimes killed.
Hamizi needn't worry about Islam's reputation. To anyone with a working medulla oblongata, it is living up to Hamizi's bloody expectations. Hamizi rivals Mohammed himself in merciless brutality.
Animals deserve more pity than the dirty people who practise such sexual depraved acts," he told the Observer. "We make sure they know why they are being held and give them the chance to ask God's forgiveness before they are killed."
3. Creeping Sharia
What should trouble gay Americans more than anything else, is that the homo-cide of the Middle East is coming to Western shores. The Netherlands is one of the most liberal places on earth where the gay community in Amsterdam have lived peacefully for many years. Bruce Bawer of Pajamas Media wrote his observations in a must-read article called "First They Came For the Gays."
Yet for a while there, in much of Western Europe, homosexuality was on its way to being a non-issue. In Amsterdam in the late 1990s, I was delightfully surprised to discover that when groups of straight teenage boys passed gay couples in the streets, they just walked past without any reaction whatsoever. The sight of gay people didn't upset, threaten, amuse, or confuse them; the familiar, insecure urge to respond to open homosexuality with some kind of distancing, disdainful word or gesture – and thereby affirm to one another, and to themselves, their own heterosexual credentials – was simply not part of those kids' makeup. For me, it was a remarkable experience. Amsterdam then seemed to me the leading edge of a new wave in the progress of human civilization.
But Sharia is creeping into Holland. Attacks on gays are on the rise, in broad daylight. What makes the top three examples of Islamic intolerance the most important on the list is that the horror of the executions in the Middle East are the natural progression to the open hostility toward gays that is going on, unchecked, in Europe. The West is the only place left with any semblance of freedom and if Europeans don't arise against the freedom-killing ideology of Islam, they will be tossed into a medieval hell that is plaguing the Middle East. While there is still time to stop it, Europeans must raise the alarm.
The reason for the rise in gay bashings in Europe is clear – and it's the same reason for the rise in rape. As the number of Muslims in Europe grows, and as the proportion of those Muslims who were born and bred in Europe also grows, many Muslim men are more inclined to see Europe as a part of the umma (or Muslim world), to believe that they have the right and duty to enforce sharia law in the cities where they live, and to recognize that any aggression on their part will likely go unpunished. Such men need not be actively religious in order to feel that they have carte blanche to assault openly gay men and non-submissive women, whose freedom to live their lives as they wish is among the most conspicuous symbols of the West's defiance of holy law.
The so-called "free" press in Europe refuses to report on the growing threat to the gay community.
So it is that even when there are brutal gay-bashings, few journalists write about them; of those who do, few mention that the perpetrators are Muslims; and those who do mention it take the line that these perpetrators are lashing out in desperate response to their own oppression.
A model at a gay fashion show, ironically put on to promote tolerance toward gays, was dragged off the stage and beaten by a group of Muslim youths.
Police arrived on the scene but it is unclear whether the ten homophobic Muslim youths were arrested or charged.
This kind of behavior will only increase when the penalties are so ambiguous and soft. Europe is traveling down a very dangerous path, not only for gays but for women and free-thinkers across the globe. And what can happen in Europe, can happen right here, in America.
Next: The Netherlands isn't the only Western country where gays are harassed these days…
2. England's blatant Sharia problem
There is a joke that London should be renamed Londinistan because of the radical Islamic influence and infiltration. But it's no laughing matter. The Muslim population is now subject to Sharia law with the consent of the English government. This includes Islamic women and gays who are severely discriminated against by Sharia.
At least 85 Islamic sharia courts are operating in Britain, a study claimed yesterday.
The astonishing figure is 17 times higher than previously accepted.
There should be no surprise that the number was misrepresented. If there are any constants in life, one is Muslims lie.
The tribunals, working mainly from mosques, settle financial and family disputes according to religious principles.
This is merely the first step in the plan to Islamize the entire country. Apologists insist that Sharia courts are necessary for Muslims in order to show cultural sensitivity and the Muslims insist Sharia is tolerant and their teachings "moderate." A popular British television show "Undercover Mosque" proves otherwise. In the following video, teachers at some of the most popular mosques in London are shown inciting hatred for Christians and Jews and ordering followers to kill gays in accordance with Sharia law.
This is the reason Oklahoma's legislature wisely passed anti-Sharia laws recently. It is no secret that Muslims fully intend to spread Sharia around the world and have clearly succeeded in England. The logical next step is beheadings and the gluing of anuses.
And guess what? They won't stop with Europe. We're next on their list.
1. Georgetown students attacked by Muslims
Right here in America, two young gay men were walking in a park when they were assaulted and threatened by two Muslim men. What is particularly interesting in this story is the reporting that was done by the press. In the Georgetown Voice, it was not disclosed that the aggressors were Muslims or that their slurs contained death threats based on Islamic teachings. By this reporting, one might be lead to believe the gay men were attacked by angry Evangelicals.
Last Friday at around three a.m., two men shouted homophobic slurs at a Georgetown University medical student, and one struck him across the face with a Grey Goose Vodka bottle.
According to the student, the two men, who seemed to have been drinking, accosted him and his friend on the 1100 Block of 34th Street and asked if they were gay. When he answered, "Yes," the student said, one yelled, "being gay is wrong," and they told him he deserved to be dead. The student said a few minutes of profane comments followed.
Now watch the news report of the event and note the drastic differences in reporting.
The Georgetown Voice couldn't bring itself to call the attackers Muslims or even report the widely known, but never talked about punishment Islam prescribes for gays. It is reporting like this that keeps the dark side of Islam under wraps for most of the non-Islamic world. Islam does not hide its hatred of homosexuals, nor does it hide the consequences of homosexuality according to the Quran. The gay community could become one of the strongest voices against Sharia and Islamofascism because they are in the direct path of the arcing scimitar of bloody Islamic violence.
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I DON"T find it interesting.... its my JOB you idiot !! Civil Liberties are SUPPLIED by the very government you say you want to control.... its simply hypocritical.
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On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:05 AM, NoEinstein <noeinstein@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Dear Mark: Should I be flattered that you remember what I say from
one day to the next? If indeed you can read and comprehend, you
wouldn't need to put those words in capitals. Unlike you and MJ, I
don't depend on YELLING to make my points. If you find what I'm
writing to be interesting enough to read every day, then you are
either very much in favor of what I'm saying or very threatened and
thus opposed. The "tone" of my document is pro control of government
by the people; maximum civil liberties; having the most efficient use
of tax dollars; respect for the environment; and respect for the
rights of others. I suspect you can't see the positive tone, because
you are jealous of my commitment and talent to accomplish what I
have. If you are FOR the people, Mark, embrace my New Constitution.
If you are AGAINST the people, then stop replying on my posts. No
socialist-communists are welcomed in the USA! — John A. Armistead —
Patriot
>
On Mar 22, 7:50 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The biggest problem Einstein will have with his "New Constitution" is that
> we CAN READ AND COMPREHEND.
>
> The other immediate problem is that he can't remember one day to the next
> what he says.
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:47 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> > Asked and answered -- only you tried to change the subject while pretending
> > it did not occur. ELSEWHERE in THIS thread: Socialism and communism are
> > the anti-thesis of a representative republic or a democracy. My New
> > Constitution RETURNS civil liberties to the People and will fire, jail or
> > hang those in government who support socialism and communism. When you
> > attack my New Constitution with your "include me" talk, you are attacking
> > THE most pro capitalism and pro civil liberties person on the planet! Get
> > lost, Jonathan! J. A. A.
> > And now HERE in THIS thread the same person:
> > I am personally recommending that Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and
> > Unemployment Insurance ALL be privatizedwhile continuing to "cover" only
> > those older or sicker people who have no other means of surviving or of
> > getting first rate care.
>
> > The implications are rather OBVIOUS, but perhaps the author fails to see
> > his EMBRACE of socialism.
>
> > There is ALSO this from the same person:
> > Businesses or professions meeting licensing standards germane to the type
> > and scope of work such perform, and being regularly apprised of substantive
> > new developments, may control their own work without governmental sanction,
> > nor, once licensed, being required to be other than self-trained to maintain
> > continuing competency for doing safe work within their chosen type.
> > Professionals qualified by training, testing and experience who perform safe
> > and acceptable work within an area of their competency shall not be
> > sanctioned for being unlicensed in another job class or licensing
> > jurisdictionbeyond fair registration cost. No more than 25% of regulatory
> > board members shall have been employed in the profession or industry
> > regulated.
> > Again continuing to EMBRACE socialism.
>
> > It should no longer be a 'mystery' why this 'constitution' is NEVER fully
> > presented NOR that the author cannot support what drivel he presents. <sigh>
> > Sad.
>
> > As noted, were you to actually PROVIDE the text ... one would see MORE
> > examples -- one might easily conclude THAT is essentially the reason you
> > refuse to present and merey proclaim.
>
> > Regard$,
> > --MJ
>
> > Much of the intellectual legacy of Marx is an anti-intellectual legacy. It
> > has been said that you cannot refute a sneer. Marxism has taught many-inside
> > and outside its ranks-to sneer at capitalism, at inconvenient facts or
> > contrary interpretations, and thus ultimately to sneer at the intellectual
> > process itself. This has been one of the sources of its enduring strength as
> > a political doctrine, and as a means of acquiring and using political power
> > in unbridled ways. -- Thomas Sowell
>
> > At 06:43 PM 3/22/2011, you wrote:
>
> > MJ: You are a deranged, socialist-communist who is clearly LYING about
> > the people-oriented content of my New Constitution! Please reference
> > a single location whereby intervention is allowed in how private
> > property is used. You can't do that, I'm sure! Ha, ha, HA! — John
> > A. Armistead — Patriot
>
> > On Mar 22, 1:03 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > Capitalism is the FOUNDATION of a successful USA! You
> > > aren't telling me anything that I don't tout, daily. You are probably
> > > doing so to make the readers think it is you who have the right Ideas
> > > and I the converse.
> > > It only takes a cursory review of those pieces you have offered to see
> > how it fails to embrace capitalism -- much less utilize it as a foundation.
> > > Capitalism is the system in which people are free to use their private
> > property without outside interference.
> > > Your 'constitution' is filled with intervention.
> > > Regard$,
> > > --MJ "Bureaucrats write memoranda both because they appear to be busy
> > when they are writing and because the memos, once written, immediately
> > become proof that they were busy" -- Charles Peters.If you agree with me say
> > something like this: "I
> > > applaud your New Constitution! We need less, more efficient
> > > government and the return of lost civil liberties. Outlawing career
> > > politicians from Congress seems like a great place to start. Good
> > > luck in everything you are seeking to do for the good of the country!
> > > — J. A. Armistead —
>
> > > On Mar 21, 11:54 am, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > John,
>
> > > > eBay is a perfect example of capitalism at work. Over 2,000
> > transactions
> > > > are performed every minute throughout the world with no need for
> > > > government. Both parties involved in those transactions report they are
> > > > happy with the transaction 96% of the time.
>
> > > > There is no need for government involvement in commerce.
>
> > > > On 03/21/2011 07:15 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
>
> > > > > Socialism and communism are the anti-thesis of a representative
> > > > > republic or a democracy. My New Constitution RETURNS civil liberties
> > > > > to the People and will fire, jail or hang those in government who
> > > > > support socialism and communism. When you attack my New Constitution
> > > > > with your "include me" talk, you are attacking THE most pro
> > capitalism
> > > > > and pro civil liberties person on the planet! Get lost, Jonathan!
> > �
> > > > > J. A. A. �
> > > > > On Mar 19, 10:57 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >> Civil liberties require government permission. As I choose to be a
> > free
> > > > >> sovereign, I do not consent.
>
> > > > >> As for free enterprise, I sell on eBay. No government interference,
> > 96%
> > > > >> successful transactions worldwide. That is as pro free enterprise as
> > it
> > > > >> gets.
>
> > > > >> On 03/19/2011 07:45 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
>
> > > > >>> Jonathan Ashley isn't pro civil liberties nor pro free enterprise.
> > > > >>> So, like I first assumed, he is a socialist-communist bent on
> > tearing
> > > > >>> down this country rather than saving it. He should be railroaded
> > out
> > > > >>> of the USA! � J. A. A. �
> > > > >>> On Mar 18, 5:49 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>>> Wanna-Be-Dictator John A. Armistead has spoken once again!
> > > > >>>> He wants to close down all news networks and outlaw political
> > parties.
> > > > >>>> He also thinks world government proponent Newt Gingrich has "the
> > smarts
> > > > >>>> and the temperament to be President."
> > > > >>>> On 03/18/2011 02:35 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
> > > > >>>>> Bill O'Reilly and Chris Wallace get hot-under-the-collar if a
> > "guest",
> > > > >>>>> like Sarah Palin, avoids answering questions that tie her hands
> > on
> > > > >>>>> issues that are in flux. Those two Fox jerks suppose that since
> > they
> > > > >>>>> are high paid and elitist, that people must do exactly like they
> > say
> > > > >>>>> or face ridicule. Within one week after my New Constitution is
> > > > >>>>> ratified, the entire Fox News Network will likely be closed down
> > for
> > > > >>>>> not being in the best interest of the country. But not to
> > worry! The
> > > > >>>>> other News Networks will be shuttered as well. The "problem" is
> > that
> > > > >>>>> NEWS, and commentary on that news, cannot occur on the same
> > network.
> > > > >>>>> Of course that is only for news relating to elections or
> > "politics".
> > > > >>>>> I put that word in quotes, because political parties will be
> > > > >>>>> outlawed! Socialism will become a non issue, because any
> > "politician"
> > > > >>>>> proposing anything like socialism will be hanged for TREASON!
> > Believe
> > > > >>>>> me, people, I can straighten out this country faster than any
> > yellow-
> > > > >>>>> livered politician. Newt Gingrich has the smarts and the
> > temperament
> > > > >>>>> to be President. But he is too much in love with our FAILED
> > system of
> > > > >>>>> government to save the country from economic doom. The Donald
> > has a
> > > > >>>>> good idea to make IRAQ pay for all we have done for those
> > people. We
> > > > >>>>> should do those things AND tell China they will get back ONLY the
> > > > >>>>> principle on their loans to the USA. �Walk tall and carry a
> > big
> > > > >>>>> stick!� Only tough-love can save this country... NOT more
> > God-damned
> > > > >>>>> politics and wasted campaign money... as usual. After Barack
> > Obama
> > > > >>>>> has been hanged and has rotted to the ground for TREASON, this
> > country
> > > > >>>>> will be on the path to economic recovery! � John A. Armistead
> > �
> > > > >>>>> Patriot
> > > > >>>>> On Mar 16, 3:38 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com
>
> > > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>> As usual, "no specifics are open for discussion." What an ego
> > this guy
> > > > >>>>>> has. Mustn't let anyone ask any questions. His head might
> > explode.
> > > > >>>>>> On 03/16/2011 11:53 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>> Folks: The vast majority of the still apt portions of our
> > original
> > > > >>>>>>> Constitution remains within my New Constitution. Issues
> > relating to
> > > > >>>>>>> having government be deferential to the people, and placing
> > reasonable
> > > > >>>>>>> limits of the type and scope of the laws that may be passed, is
> > the
> > > > >>>>>>> subject of much that I have expanded on in my New
> > Constitution. I've
> > > > >>>>>>> placed great importance on seeing to it that the corruption in
> > > > >>>>>>> government�state, local and federal�which I have observed
> > first hand,
> > > > >>>>>>> shall never again negatively impact any law-abiding citizen.
> > > > >>>>>>> There are dozens of well-defined, unconstitutional acts by
> > government
> > > > >>>>>>> employees or elected officials that will either get the persons
> > fired
> > > > >>>>>>> or sent to prison. Working for government, even for the
> > President,
>
> ...
>
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American nationalists, then and now, automatically assume that the
Union's breakup would have been catastrophic.
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On Mar 23, 12:14 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> "". . . . By the 1850s the authority of all government in America was at a low point."
> "The United States, already one of the most prosperous and influential countries on the face of the earth, had practically the smallest, weakest State apparatus.
> "The great irony of the Civil War is that all that changed at the very moment that abolition triumphed. As the last, great coercive blight on the American landscape, black chattel slavery, was finally extirpated -- a triumph that cannot be overrated -- the American polity did an about-face."America's Turning PointJeffrey Rogers Hummel
> April 2011 • Volume: 61 • Issue: 3 •
> The Civil War represents the simultaneous culmination and repudiation of the American Revolution. Four successive ideological surges had previously defined American politics: the radical republican movement that had spearheaded the revolution itself; the subsequent Jeffersonian movement that had arisen in reaction to the Federalist State; the Jacksonian movement that followed the War of 1812; and the abolitionist movement. Although each was unique, each in its own way was hostile to government power. Each had contributed to the long-term erosion of all forms of coercive authority.
> "Nowhere was the American rejection of authority more complete than in the political sphere," writes historian David Donald. "The decline in the powers of the Federal government from the constructive centralism of George Washington's administration to the feeble vacillation of James Buchanan's is so familiar as to require no repetition here. . . . The national government, moreover, was not being weakened in order to bolster state governments, for they too were decreasing in power. . . . By the 1850s the authority of all government in America was at a low point."
> The United States, already one of the most prosperous and influential countries on the face of the earth, had practically the smallest, weakest State apparatus.
> The great irony of the Civil War is that all that changed at the very moment that abolition triumphed. As the last, great coercive blight on the American landscape, black chattel slavery, was finally extirpated -- a triumph that cannot be overrated -- the American polity did an about-face.
> Insofar as the war was fought to preserve the Union, it was an explicit rejection of the American Revolution. Both the radical abolitionists and the South's fire-eaters boldly championed different applications of the revolution's purest principles. Whereas the abolitionists were carrying on the assault against human bondage, the fire-eating secessionists embodied the tradition of self-determination and decentralized government. As a legal recourse, the legitimacy of secession was admittedly debatable. Consistent with the Antifederalist interpretation of the Constitution that had come to dominate antebellum politics, secession undoubtedly contravened the framers' original intent. But as a revolutionary right, the legitimacy of secession is universal and unconditional. That at least is how the Declaration of Independence reads. "Put simply," agrees William Appleman Williams, "the cause of the Civil War was the refusal of Lincoln and other northerners to honor the revolutionary right of self-determination -- the touchstone of the American Revolution."
> American nationalists, then and now, automatically assume that the Union's breakup would have been catastrophic. The historian, in particular, "is a camp follower of the successful army," Donald wrote, and often treats the nation's current boundaries as etched in stone. But doing so reveals a lack of historical imagination. Consider Canada. The United States twice mounted military expeditions to conquer its neighbor, first during the American Revolution and again during the War of 1812. At other times, including after the Civil War, annexation was under consideration, sometimes to the point of private support for insurgencies similar to those that had helped swallow up Florida and Texas. If any of these ventures had succeeded, historians' accounts would read as if the unification of Canada and the United States had been fated, and any other outcome inconceivable. In our world, of course, Canada and the United States have endured as separate sovereignties with hardly any untoward consequences. "Suppose Lincoln did save the American Union, did his success in keeping one strong nation where there might have been two weaker ones really entitle him to a claim to greatness?" asks David M. Potter. "Did it really contribute any constructive values for the modern world?"
> The common refrain, voiced by Abraham Lincoln himself, that peaceful secession would have constituted a failure for the great American experiment in liberty, was just plain nonsense. "If Northerners . . . had peaceably allowed the seceders to depart," the conservativeLondon Timescorrectly replied, "the result might fairly have been quoted as illustrating the advantages of Democracy; but when Republicans put empire above liberty, and resorted to political oppression and war rather than suffer any abatement of national power, it was clear that nature at Washington was precisely the same as nature at St. Petersburg. . . . Democracy broke down, not when the Union ceased to be agreeable to all its constituent States, but when it was upheld, like any other Empire, by force of arms."
> "War is the health of the State," proclaimed Randolph Bourne, the young Progressive, disillusioned by the Wilson administration's grotesque excesses during World War I. Bourne's maxim is true in two respects. During war itself the government swells in size and power, as it taxes, conscripts, regulates, generates inflation, and suppresses civil liberties. Second, after the war there is what economists and historians have identified as a ratchet effect. Postwar retrenchment never returns government to its prewar levels. The State has assumed new functions, taken on new responsibilities, and exercised new prerogatives that continue long after the fighting is over. Both of these phenomena are starkly evident during the Civil War.
> Before Fort Sumter national spending was only about $2.50 per person per year, or $50 per person in today's prices. The central government relied on only two sources of revenue: a very low tariff and the sale of public lands. The war brought not only protectionist import duties but also a vast array of internal excises, the country's first national income tax, and an extensive internal revenue bureaucracy with 185 districts reaching into every hamlet and town. Federal outlays soared from 1.5 percent of the economy's output to almost 20 percent, approximately what the central government spends today. The national debt climbed from a modest $65 million, less than annual expenditures, to $2.8 billion. This provided the justification for replacing the antebellum monetary system of free banking and financial deregulation (which some economic historians believe was the best the country has ever had) with inflationary fiat money and nationally regulated banking.
> Protectionism would continue to dominate U.S. trade policy mercilessly until the Great Depression and was just one manifestation of the Lincoln administration's effort to enlist special interests through government subsidies and privileges. The Yankee Leviathan also was responsible for the first federal aid to transcontinental railroads, land grants for higher education, a Department of Agriculture for farmers, and troops to break strikes for employers. The prewar regime of Jacksonian laissez faire was effectively supplanted by Republican neomercantilism, an alliance between business and government that became so scandalous during the Grant era that it has gone down in history as, to use Vernon Louis Parrington's label for the postwar feeding frenzy, the "Great Barbecue."
> Lincoln's war delivered a blow to civil liberties as well. The Union's resort to nationally administered conscription touched off so much resistance that the President suspended habeas corpus throughout the North. Traditional estimates are that the administration imprisoned without trial or charges 14,000 civilians during the conflict, but some historians believe the figure to be much too low. To be sure, the greater number were citizens of either the border states or the Confederacy itself, and many of those arrested secured quick release within a month or two, usually after swearing a loyalty oath. Yet the federal government at the same time monitored and censored both the mails and telegraphs and shut down over 300 newspapers for varying periods.
> Many of these measures were of course abandoned at the fighting's end. Federal spending fell from its wartime peak to only 3 to 4 percent of GDP. Although not a trivial decline, it still left spending at twice prewar levels, and the largest postwar expenditures were war-related. Interest on the war debt initially accounted for 40 percent of federal outlays, and by 1884 veterans' benefits were consuming 30 percent. These benefits were so lavish that they constitute the national government's first old-age and disability insurance and stand as a precursor to Social Security. The impact of the Civil War was even felt in the seemingly unrelated area of obscenity. Congress passed the first act regulating mail content in response to complaints that troops were ordering pornographic material, and this became the basis for the Comstock witch hunts of the 1870s.The Real Turning PointThis ratchet effect is a phenomenon historians frequently observe. Yet the Civil War did something more. Despite wars and their ratchets, governments must sometimes recede in reach, else all would have been groaning under totalitarian regimes long ago. Both conservatives and so-called liberals date the major political turning point in American history at the Great Depression of 1929. Previously Americans are supposed to have self-reliantly resisted the temptations of government largess and confined federal power within strict constitutional limits. Although Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal is responsible for Social Security, which along with health care, now ranks as the national government's primary expense, this legend ignores several inconvenient facts. To begin with, the New Deal simply emulated the Wilson administration's previous war collectivism. Moreover the growth of government under the New Deal was trivial compared to its growth during the United States' next major conflict: World War II.
> More astute analysts push the watershed in U.S. history back to the Progressive Era. Progressivism emerged at the beginning of the twentieth century as a diverse inclination, varying in different parts of the country and including members of all political parties. But it became the country's first dominant mindset to advocate government intervention in the free market and in personal liberty at every level and in every sphere. My contention, however, is that America's decisive transition must be dated even earlier.
> The Yankee Leviathan co-opted and transformed abolitionism. It shattered the prewar congruence among anti-slavery, anti-government, and anti-war radicalism. It permanently reversed the implicit constitutional settlement that had made the central and state governments revenue-independent. It acquired for central authority such new functions as subsidizing privileged businesses, managing the currency, providing welfare to veterans, and protecting the nation's "morals" -- at the very moment that local and state governments were also expanding. And it set dangerous precedents with respect to taxes, fiat money, conscription, and the suppression of dissent.
> These and the countless other changes mark the Civil War as America's real turning point. In the years ahead, coercive authority would wax and wane with year-to-year circumstances, but the long-term trend would be unmistakable. Henceforth there would be few major victories of Liberty over Power. In contrast to the whittling away of government that had preceded Fort Sumter, the United States had commenced its halting but inexorable march toward the welfare-warfare State of today.http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/america%E2%80%99s-turning-point/
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