FDA Raid steal products - Be interesting to see how this gets covered and also how true it all is

Armed agents invade Maxam Nutraceutics and steal natural health products
in shocking FDA raid

http://www.naturalnews.com/032203_Maxam_Nutraceutics_FDA_raid.html

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Bizzy Blog on the reporting of the Mass House and the unions

AP, NYT Downplaying and Ignoring Mass. Move to Limit Union Health
Bargaining
Filed under: Economy,MSM Biz/Other Bias,MSM Biz/Other Ignorance,Taxes &
Government — TBlumer @ 7:52 pm

Gosh, after Republican Governors Scott Walker and John Kasich succeeded
in championing legislation curtailing many collective bargaining rights
of unionized state and municipal employees in Wisconsin and Ohio,
respectively, the establishment press had the meme all set. The GOP,
conservatives, and Tea Partiers are enemies of labor and the middle
class, while Democrats, liberals, and progressives are their champions.

Then along comes bluer-than-blue Massachusetts. As the Boston Globe
reports, the Bay State's House "voted overwhelmingly last night
(Tuesday) to strip police officers, teachers, and other municipal
employees of most of their rights to bargain over health care, saying
the change would save millions of dollars for financially strapped
cities and towns." It's not a law yet, but it seems to be heading pretty
quickly in that direction.

The Associated Press's beat reporters and editors must be beside
themselves. Despite having nationalized Wisconsin-based
collective-bargaining stories since February, three searches
("Massachusetts health," Massachusetts union," and "Massachusetts
unions," all not in quotes) indicate that the wire service was still
carrying nothing relating to the Bay State's situation at its main
national site as of 7:30 this evening.

The AP's Massachusetts local wire carried two stories, one at 11:13 p.m.
Tuesday night, plus a six-paragraph unbylined story at 5:05 p.m. today,
which read in part:

Mass. Gov.: "Dial down rhetoric" on union fight

Gov. Deval Patrick is urging both sides to "dial down the rhetoric" over
a plan to sharply limit the collective bargaining power of public
employees over their health insurance.

Patrick said Wednesday it's important to pass a bill to ease the health
care burden on communities while guaranteeing labor a seat at the table.

Union officials are furious at House Speaker Robert DeLeo after
lawmakers backed the plan late Tuesday.

Does anyone remember AP reporters Scott Bauer or Todd Richmond in
Wisconsin relaying advisories to dial down the rhetoric from Scott
Walker? I didn't think so. But Obama bud Deval Patrick "somehow" gets a
bit of deference from AP. No matter; he's on board with doing much of
what Scott Walker just did, and to public safety workers as well, whom
Walker exempted from certain of the Wisconsin law's provisions.

Meanwhile, at the New York Times, the same three searches done at 7:45
this evening ("Massachusetts health," "Massachusetts union,"
"Massachusetts unions,") returned nothing relevant.

The establishment press is probably too busy picking their collective
jaws up off the floor, utterly astonished that the past two months of
bashing sensible conservatives as heartless enemies may be on the verge
of being rendered useless. Trying to bottle the news up is their only
recourse.

This is 2011, guys and gals. Thanks to Drudge and others, that's mostly
not going to happen.

Cross-posted at NewsBusters.org.

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With regard to Rachel Maddow's ad about the building of the Hoover Dam by the govt, check the true story of the project

Mac Daddy - 8 hours ago
Hoover Dam was designed, excavated, and built by a consortium of six
major private sector construction companies known as "Six Companies,
Inc.". The ONLY thing Congress did was to authorize construction of the
dam and appropriate the funds necessary via the Boulder Canyon Project
Act of 1928. See section 2 of that act for the financial details. All of
the planning and construction was left to the private contractors. Six
Companies did the job so well that it completed the project two years
ahead of schedule.

In contrast, to see a glaring example of pure government leadership, you
need look no farther than "Ground Zero" in NYC. More than a decade has
passed since 911 and that place is still nothing more than an ugly
miserable mud pit with NO plans whatsoever for the future. Mayor
Bloomberg heads that dead-end government-run project.

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Re: Wringing-the-Neck of Empty Ritual.

MJ: Those who live waiting for hand-outs from government violate the
Spirit of the Constitution (or New Constitution) which is: "Fair play
and democracy shall have supremacy in the USA!" So, their collective
"will" to take from without giving anything in return has been
stripped of any power. Anyone in government who violates the spirit
of the Constitution will either be FIRED (in the case of employees) or
hanged for TREASON, in the case of elected officials. So, my
democracy-on-demand Republic can NEVER evolve to be socialist or
communist! — J. A. A. —
>
On Apr 26, 7:26 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> "Preface:
>      The Will of the People is the foundation of government. 
> And thus SOCIALISM is enshrined.
> Regard$,
> --MJEach of us has a natural right to defend his person, his liberty, and his property. These are the three basic requirements of life, and the preservation of any one of them is completely dependent upon the preservation of the other two. For what are our faculties but the extension of our individuality? And what is property but an extension of our faculties?
> If every person has the right to defend -- even by force -- his person, his liberty, and his property, then it follows that a group of men have the right to organize and support a common force to protect these rights constantly. Thus the principle of collective right - its reason for existing, its lawfulness -- is based on individual right. And the common force that protects this collective right cannot logically have any other purpose or any other mission than that for which it acts as a substitute. Thus, since an individual cannot lawfully use force against the person, liberty, or property of another individual, then the common force -- for the same reason -- cannot lawfully be used to destroy the person, liberty, or property of individuals or groups.
> Such a perversion of force would be, in both cases, contrary to our premise. Force has been given to us to defend our own individual rights. Who will dare to say that force has been given to us to destroy the equal rights of our brothers? Since no individual acting separately can lawfully use force to destroy the rights of others, does it not logically follow that the same principle also applies to the common force that is nothing more than the organized combination of the individual forces?
> If this is true, then nothing can be more evident than this: The law is the organization of the natural right of lawful defense. It is the substitution of a common force for individual forces. And this common force is to do only what the individual forces have a natural and lawful right to do: to protect persons, liberties, and properties; to maintain the right of each, and to cause justice to reign over us all.
> If a nation were founded on this basis, it seems to me that order would prevail among the people, in thought as well as in deed. It seems to me that such a nation would have the most simple, easy to accept, economical, limited, nonoppressive, just, and enduring government imaginable -- whatever its political form might be.
> Under such an administration, everyone would understand that he possessed all the privileges as well as all the responsibilities of his existence. No one would have any argument with government, provided that his person was respected, his labor was free, and the fruits of his labor were protected against all unjust attack. When successful, we would not have to thank the state for our success.  And, conversely, when unsuccessful, we would no more think of blaming the state for our misfortune than would the farmers blame the state because of hail or frost. The state would be felt only by the invaluable blessings of safety provided by this concept of government.
> It can be further stated that, thanks to the non-intervention of the state in private affairs, our wants and their satisfactions would develop themselves in a logical manner. We would not see poor families seeking literary instruction before
> they have bread. We would not see cities populated at the expense of rural districts, nor rural districts at the expense of cities. We would not see the great displacements of capital, labor, and population that are caused by legislative decisions.
> The sources of our existence are made uncertain and precarious by these state-created displacements. And, furthermore, these acts burden the government with increased responsibilities.  -- Frédéric Bastiat

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Irish Bailout

 

 

 

Excellent economic method; Obama must be applying the same strategy.

 

 

An old one but worth another showing!!

 

 

It is a slow day in a damp little Irish town. The rain is beating down and the streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody lives on credit. On this particular day a rich German tourist is driving through the town, stops at the local hotel and lays a €100 note on the desk, telling the hotel owner he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one to spend the night. The owner gives him some keys and, as soon as the visitor has walked upstairs, the hotelier grabs the €100 note and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher. The butcher takes the €100 note and runs down the street to repay his debt to the pig farmer. The pig farmer takes the €100 note and heads off to pay his bill at the supplier of feed and fuel. The guy at the Farmers' Co-op takes the €100 note and runs to pay his drinks bill at the pub. The publican slips the money along to the local prostitute drinking at the bar, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer him "services" on credit. The hooker then rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill to the hotel owner with the €100 note. The hotel proprietor then places the €100 note back on the counter so the rich traveller will not suspect anything. At that moment the traveller comes down the stairs, picks up the €100 note, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, pockets the money, and leaves town. No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town is now out of debt and looking to the future with a lot more optimism. And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is how the bailout package works.  

 

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Re: Wringing-the-Neck of Empty Ritual.

MJ: Preventing one from having the free use of their property would
INCLUDE taking away their hard-earned money, or stealing. I suppose
if you knew the USA would take way the earnings of the hard-workers,
you would gladly come! That's because you would suppose you'd get a
free lunch. Like I figured on day one: You, MJ, who are a socialist/
communist! — J. A. A —
>
On Apr 26, 7:12 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> MJ:  Very simply, socialism entails giving the power to the beggars
> rather than to the wage earners. 
> Sorry, but that is not socialism.
> Socialism occurs when outside interference exists thus preventing one from the free use of their private property.Not a single immigrant would have
> risked their lives to sail to the USA if they had known government
> would take their hard-earned money and give it to people too lazy to
> work. 
> Why do you espouse nonsense that you cannot possibly prove? This is likely a false claim.Since socialism is the anti-thesis of a Republic, it is a CRIME
> to be a socialist or a communist in the USA! 
> Neither is a crime and socialism has nothing to do with a Republic.And if a public
> official, like Barack Obama, who swore to preserve, protect and defend
> the Constitution hasn't done so from day one, that is capital
> TREASON!  Clear enough for you? 
> Obama, like all Presidents since at least Lincoln, is impeachable. Of course the Congress has no desire to do their duty.
> Regard$,
> --MJ"When the first cave man clubbed his neighbor to expropriate the food his neighbor had gathered, he gave blunt, physical expression to the essence of socialist society"  -- Lawrence W. Reed

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Re: Wringing-the-Neck of Empty Ritual.

Dear J. Ashley: You must be very gullible. Two wolves and a sheep
deciding what's for dinner is a "To the victor belongs the spoils
government", NOT a democracy! In a democracy, the individual has
VALUE that can't be exploited simply because there is a disagreement.
The present split-down-the-aisle Democrat vs. Republican game of
politics is nothing like a democracy. Take this example: 100 people
are sailing through a storm for America. The great danger causes the
100 people to vote whether or not to turn back or go on. 51 people
say, "Go on!". Does that mean that the 49 who wanted to turn back can
now have their possessions taken away, and to be put into servitude
for the good of the 51? Hell no! The winning of a vote NEVER allows
taking away the hard earned possessions of others. When someone wins
an election, their job is to represent ALL of their constituents, not
just the ones who voted for a given rascal! — J. A. Armistead —
Patriot

On Apr 26, 5:36 pm, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
wrote:
> John,
>
> You are a laugh a minute. "Fair play and democracy shall have supremacy
> in the USA!" Really? Who decides what is "fair play and democracy"?
>
> What is "fair play"?
>
> We know that democracy is nothing more than two wolves and a sheep
> deciding on what to eat. That's how we got into the mess we're in.
>
> On 04/26/2011 01:06 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Mark:  NOT if I require that all public employees and public officials
> > SWEAR, on penalty of loss of one's job for employees, and penalty of
> > death for public officials, if anyone dares to violate this one
> > sentence: "Fair play and democracy shall have supremacy in the USA!"
> > The 40% or so of good-for-nothing socialist/communist liberals can
> > save themselves the trouble of voting, because my New Constitution
> > bans socialism and communism, so those votes, in whatever numbers,
> > will be ineffectual.  No labor unions nor minority groups will have
> > more power than one-person-one-vote.  And anyone lobbying for anything
> > will be jailed for three years.  Get the picture?  My democracy-on-
> > demand Republic works, because I permanently hamstring anyone with
> > socialist/communist notions.  —  John A. Armistead — Patriot
> > On Apr 25, 1:46 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE<markmka...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> Johnathan is no Anarchist... but your cry (in you rantings and your
> >> "constitution") for "more democracy" IS indeed socialistic communism.
>
> >> On Apr 25, 7:15 am, NoEinstein<noeinst...@bellsouth.net>  wrote:
>
> >>> Mark:  Tell that to J. Ashley.  He's holding up Belgium as the ideal
> >>> of the world, and Jonathan is an out-and-out anarchist.  —  J. A. A. —
> >>> On Apr 24, 11:37 pm, Mark<markmka...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>> There is no "anarchy in Belgium:
> >>>> *an·ar·chy*/ˈanərkē/Noun
> >>>> 1. A state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.
> >>>> 2. Absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as
> >>>> a political ideal.
> >>>> It is not history, it is current events.
> >>>> If you are writing a constitution you should have known this. You should
> >>>> also know that absolute Democracy, absolute Communism and Socialism are for
> >>>> the most part identical in practice (if it were possible)
> >>>> To say we need more Democracy as you often do is the same as saying we need
> >>>> more Communism and or Socialism....
> >>>> Just how ignorant are you ??
> >>>> On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 7:02 PM, NoEinstein<noeinst...@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> >>>>> Mark:  Please find yourself a history buff.  I'm not the least
> >>>>> interested in anarchy, in Belgium or anywhere!  — J. A. A. —
> >>>>> On Apr 22, 4:33 pm, Mark<markmka...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>>>> And it still functions without the lawmakers.... Go figure.
> >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Jonathan Ashley<
> >>>>>> jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>  wrote:
> >>>>>>>   John,
> >>>>>>> "In terms of comparative social spending on welfare-related programs as
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>>> percentage of the gross domestic product (GDP), Denmark ranks first,
> >>>>>>> spending more than 29 percent of GDP on its welfare-related programs.
> >>>>> Next
> >>>>>>> is Sweden (nearly 29 percent), followed by France, Germany, Belgium,
> >>>>>>> Switzerland, Austria, and Finland. The United Kingdom ranks in the
> >>>>> middle of
> >>>>>>> the pack in 13th place (nearly 22 percent of GDP). The United States
> >>>>> ranks
> >>>>>>> near the bottom, in 26th place (out of 29), spending less than 15
> >>>>> percent of
> >>>>>>> its GDP on social welfare programs. The United States ranks just ahead
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>>> Ireland, Mexico, and South Korea."
> >>>>>>>http://pagerankstudio.com/Blog/2011/03/what-is-welfare-state/
> >>>>>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>>>> On 04/22/2011 08:41 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
> >>>>>>> On average, yes they are!  Few in Belgium look to government for
> >>>>>>> handouts.  In the USA, close to 45% want a government handout.
> >>>>>>> Anything over 5% is excessive.  But that's why I've written my New
> >>>>>>> Constitution—to get government out of the hand-out, pull-the-strings
> >>>>>>> business!   —  John A. Armistead —  Patriot
> >>>>>>>    On Apr 21, 9:56 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>  <
> >>>>> jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>   So, you're saying the People of Belgium are better People than those
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>>> the United States?
> >>>>>>>   J. Ashley:  Run your experiments in Belgium, then!  The USA would be
> >>>>>>> in civil war...   � J. A. A. �
> >>>>>>> On Apr 21, 12:04 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>  <
> >>>>> jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>   John,
> >>>>>>>     It is highly doubtful that we would return to the stone age without
> >>>>>>> government. Belgium has been without a national government for more
> >>>>> than
> >>>>>>> 313 days and "Belgians say the absence of a government doesn't make
> >>>>> much
> >>>>>>> of a difference in their daily lives."
> >>>>>>>     On 04/20/2011 08:42 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
> >>>>>>>     Jonathan:  You are showing some smarts there!  Since I am an untra-
> >>>>>>> conservative capitalist, I don't like being... "left" of anyone,
> >>>>>>> because that would seem to make me... a God-damned liberal.  I
> >>>>>>> deliberately avoided using the "L" word, because I am the exact
> >>>>>>> opposite.  If your ego considers being an anarchist more conservative
> >>>>>>> than me, consider this: The USA would return to the 'stone ages'
> >>>>>>> within one month of there being no government(s).  So, your "ideal" of
> >>>>>>> no taxation and no government won't benefit a soul on Earth.  Is
> >>>>>>> having you "get real" too much to ask?  ï¿½  J. A. Armistead �
> >>>>>   Patriot
> >>>>>>> On Apr 20, 12:50 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>  <
> >>>>> jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>   John,
> >>>>>>> Since anarchy is absence of government, how can one be "right" of
> >>>>>>> anarchy? (I don't actually expect an answer, as you NEVER answer
> >>>>>>> questions posed to you.)
> >>>>>>> On 04/20/2011 01:54 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
> >>>>>>>   Jonathan:  For you, anything 'right' of anarchy is socialist.  I
> >>>>>>> suggest you write your one paragraph constitution banning government.
> >>>>>>> Unless you are from the stone ages, you won't survive very long on
> >>>>>>> your own.  ï¿½  J. A. A. �
> >>>>>>> On Apr 18, 11:53 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>  <
> >>>>> jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>   But John, you're the one who has written a socialist constitution.
> >>>>>>> On 04/18/2011 08:31 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
> >>>>>>>   Jonathan:  Mainly he's done that by attacking the capitalist system
> >>>>>>> that made this country great; and by supposing that government should
> >>>>>>> control everything (with him in charge).  The fact that you even ask
> >>>>>>> that question confirms my initial gut reaction that you are a
> >>>>>>> socialist-communist, like 95% of Democrats are.  The remaining 5% are
> >>>>>>> just stupid.  You're in both of those groups.  ï¿½ J. A. Armistead �
> >>>>>>> Patriot
> >>>>>>> On Apr 18, 3:03 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>  <
> >>>>> jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>   John,
> >>>>>>> That you own stock in a company that routinely downgrades websites
> >>>>> based
> >>>>>>> on "link relevance" over "content relevance" says much about your
> >>>>>>> credibility regarding the understanding of what freedom of expression
> >>>>> means.
> >>>>>>> That you believe Obama "has caused more economic and social harm to the
> >>>>>>> USA than any other person who ever lived, including Hitler" seems
> >>>>>>> ludicrous. Just how has he (as an individual) been able to pull off
> >>>>> this
> >>>>>>> tremendous task?
> >>>>>>> On 04/17/2011 09:05 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
> >>>>>>>   Dear Mark:  I own Google stock.  It's an American multinational
> >>>>>>> Corporation that's headquartered in Mountain View, California.  Google
> >>>>>>> World shows the new complex quite well.  In many ways you are very
> >>>>>>> naive.  Your obvious desire to protect Barack Obama's neck from the
> >>>>>>> noose is tantamount to looking-the-other-way to those who commit
> >>>>>>> TREASON every day of their existence.  Would you put on moderation
> >>>>>>> someone who proposes that Libyan President Kadafi should be killed?
> >>>>>>> Do you suppose it is Google's obligation to protect those who kill
> >>>>>>> their citizens?  Hundreds, if not thousands, of Americans have
> >>>>>>> committed suicide because of the bad economy and the lack of jobs
> >>>>>>> resulting from Obama's socialist-capitalist policies.  He has caused
> >>>>>>> more economic and social harm to the USA than any other person who
> >>>>>>> ever lived, including Hitler.
> >>>>>>> Treason is a recognized capital offense.  Those in our government and
> >>>>>>> in our law enforcement who don't press to have that bastard arrested,
> >>>>>>> tried and hanged are themselves in violation of the Constitution for
> >>>>>>> giving aid and comfort to the enemy.  Keith suggested that you,
> >>>>>>> Jonathan and MJ are anxious to read my next "missive".  He's viewed
> >>>>>>> you all in a favorable light, before.  As for me, I suspect you are so
> >>>>>>> screwed-up in the head that you are both for and against having a
> >>>>>>> better government.  That means you have schizophrenia.  Get some couch-
> >>>>>>> time, Mark.  You need it!  ï¿½  J. A. Armistead �  Patriot
> >>>>>>> On Apr 16, 10:28 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE<markmka...@gmail.com>  <
> >>>>> markmka...@gmail.com>            wrote:
> >>>>>>>   Einstein,
> >>>>>>> Again, you mistake me for someone that is liable under the present, or
> >>>>>>> your future, US Constitution. The message you received is the standard
> >>>>>>> message sent to all new or moderated members, get used to it. It
> >>>>>>> originates from outside the US and is also not liable under US law.
> >>>>>>> Isn't the internet grand when the originating country has the
> >>>>>>> responsibility for what is or is not allowed under their law(s).
> >>>>>>> On Apr 16, 7:11
>
> ...
>
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Re: Wringing-the-Neck of Empty Ritual.

Petty details, all. — J. A. A. —
>
On Apr 26, 5:29 pm, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
wrote:
> The banner at the top of his official website
> <http://www.algathafi.org/html-english/index.htm> spells it, "AL
> Gathafi." But if you go deeper into the site, you'll see it variously
> rendered as "Al Qaddafi," "Algathafi," and "Al-Gathafi."
>
> On 04/26/2011 12:53 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Mark:  Fox News (gag) is the only approximately tollerable news
> > network I watch.  They spell his name:  Qaddafi.   "G", why would that
> > be?  ï¿½  J. A. A. �
> > On Apr 25, 1:44 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE<markmka...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> "G" it is. I believe he knows how to spell his own name....
>
> >> On Apr 25, 7:18 am, NoEinstein<noeinst...@bellsouth.net>  wrote:
>
> >>> Thanks, Jonathan!   Mark, with his 'G', is no closer to correct than
> >>> my 'Q' but with ff.  I'd rate the guy a double F grade.  Agreed?  ï¿½ J.
> >>> A. A. �
> >>> On Apr 24, 11:37 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> His name in Arabic is /Mu?ammar al-Qad_d_a-fi-. /
> >>>> On 04/24/2011 08:29 PM, Mark wrote:
> >>>>> I am a Tico. We have monkeys. ..... Belgiums per capita income is no
> >>>>> where near The US...It is much lower... Moslems are welcome here.... I
> >>>>> never said I support Gaddafi.. please learn to spell his name if you
> >>>>> are going to talk about him.
> >>>>> On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 6:39 PM, NoEinstein<noeinst...@bellsouth.net
> >>>>> <mailto:noeinst...@bellsouth.net>>  wrote:
> >>>>>      Mark:  Where do you live with monkeys in your back yard?  India?
> >>>>>      Because of the beauty of Belgium, making it a choice vacation
> >>>>>      destination, the per capita income in Belgium is higher than in the
> >>>>>      USA.  You should move there.  But my guess is that Muslims wouldn't be
> >>>>>      welcomed (said because you have defended Qadaffi).  ï¿½ J. A. A. �
> >>>>>      On Apr 22, 12:00 pm, Mark<markmka...@gmail.com
> >>>>>      <mailto:markmka...@gmail.com>>  wrote:
> >>>>>      >  What is happening in Belgium is not History but rather Current
> >>>>>      Events.
> >>>>>      >  They have law enforcement, welfare (higher percentage that the
> >>>>>      US) their
> >>>>>      >  food is protected and as you say ...on and on. All the shutdown
> >>>>>      causes
> >>>>>      >  (without explicit instructions from congress and the President)
> >>>>>      is that
> >>>>>      >  nothing NEW can take place. Supervisors still supervise, all
> >>>>>      State functions
> >>>>>      >  still happen, all taxes are paid.
> >>>>>      >  One would think that something as basic as
> >>>>>      >  "Do we need Congress, a President, or the Supreme Court to survive?"
> >>>>>      >    (answer is a resounding "No")
> >>>>>      >  would be really important to a Constitutionalist.  The States
> >>>>>      and those
> >>>>>      >  Federal departments that are necessary to "the Public Welfare"
> >>>>>       are left
> >>>>>      >  operating as usual.
> >>>>>      >  On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 9:27 AM, NoEinstein
> >>>>>      <noeinst...@bellsouth.net<mailto:noeinst...@bellsouth.net>>wrote:
> >>>>>      >  >  Mark:  I'm not a world history buff, so forget about Belgium.  The
> >>>>>      >  >  welfare system in this country would stop; companies that had
> >>>>>      >  >  government contracts would shut down; there would be no
> >>>>>      protected food
> >>>>>      >  >  supply; there would be no law enforcement; crime would surge; the
> >>>>>      >  >  power grid would shut down, and on-and-on.  People would start
> >>>>>      using
> >>>>>      >  >  their guns to protect themselves.  Once "minorities" started
> >>>>>      >  >  wanting... their share, there would be civil war.  The USA can't
> >>>>>      >  >  survive without some the public order that is provided by well
> >>>>>      thought-
> >>>>>      >  >  out and agreed-to laws.
> >>>>>      >  >  You are most correct that just and acceptable (to the masses) laws
> >>>>>      >  >  don't require a government.  My minimum, efficient government will
> >>>>>      >  >  depend on having the citizens agree with and abide by their
> >>>>>      laws.  Our
> >>>>>      >  >  present federal government is totally dysfunctional, because
> >>>>>      Congress
> >>>>>      >  >  and the White House wrongly suppose that it is they who run
> >>>>>      things.
> >>>>>      >  >  WRONG!  It is the People, in a Republic, who run things!!!!!  
> >>>>>      Read my
> >>>>>      >  >  New Constitution to see that even one law-abiding citizen,
> >>>>>      >  >  knowledgeable of that document, is more powerful than any
> >>>>>      government
> >>>>>      >  >  employee or elected official, including the President!  ï¿½ J. A.
> >>>>>      >  >  Armistead �  Patriot
> >>>>>      >  >  On Apr 21, 9:39 pm, Mark<markmka...@gmail.com
> >>>>>      <mailto:markmka...@gmail.com>>  wrote:
> >>>>>      >  >  >  Onestone,
> >>>>>      >  >  >  At one full year with no government it is way past the
> >>>>>      "experimental"
> >>>>>      >  >  stage.
> >>>>>      >  >  >  It is running and no services have been cut to anyone that
> >>>>>      cares. Just
> >>>>>      >  >  why
> >>>>>      >  >  >  would the lack of a Congress and President would cause civil
> >>>>>      war ?? The
> >>>>>      >  >  laws
> >>>>>      >  >  >  are in place and so are the programs that see to peoples needs.
> >>>>>      >  >  >  On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 7:34 PM, NoEinstein
> >>>>>      <noeinst...@bellsouth.net<mailto:noeinst...@bellsouth.net>
> >>>>>      >  >  >wrote:
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  J. Ashley:  Run your experiments in Belgium, then!  The
> >>>>>      USA would be
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  in civil war...   � J. A. A. �
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  On Apr 21, 12:04 pm, Jonathan Ashley
> >>>>>      <jonathanashle...@lavabit.com<mailto:jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>>
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  wrote:
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  John,
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  It is highly doubtful that we would return to the stone
> >>>>>      age without
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  government. Belgium has been without a national
> >>>>>      government for more
> >>>>>      >  >  than
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  313 days and "Belgians say the absence of a government
> >>>>>      doesn't make
> >>>>>      >  >  much
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  of a difference in their daily lives."
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  On 04/20/2011 08:42 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >  Jonathan:  You are showing some smarts there!  Since I
> >>>>>      am an untra-
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >  conservative capitalist, I don't like being... "left"
> >>>>>      of anyone,
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >  because that would seem to make me... a God-damned
> >>>>>      liberal.  I
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >  deliberately avoided using the "L" word, because I am
> >>>>>      the exact
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >  opposite.  If your ego considers being an anarchist more
> >>>>>      >  >  conservative
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >  than me, consider this: The USA would return to the
> >>>>>      'stone ages'
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >  within one month of there being no government(s).  So,
> >>>>>      your "ideal"
> >>>>>      >  >  of
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >  no taxation and no government won't benefit a soul on
> >>>>>      Earth.  Is
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >  having you "get real" too much to ask?  ï¿½  J. A.
> >>>>>      Armistead �
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >    Patriot
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >  On Apr 20, 12:50 pm, Jonathan
> >>>>>      Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com
> >>>>>      <mailto:jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>>
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >  wrote:
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>  John,
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>  Since anarchy is absence of government, how can one
> >>>>>      be "right" of
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>  anarchy? (I don't actually expect an answer, as you
> >>>>>      NEVER answer
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>  questions posed to you.)
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>  On 04/20/2011 01:54 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>>  Jonathan:  For you, anything 'right' of anarchy is
> >>>>>      socialist.  I
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>>  suggest you write your one paragraph constitution
> >>>>>      banning
> >>>>>      >  >  government.
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>>  Unless you are from the stone ages, you won't
> >>>>>      survive very long
> >>>>>      >  >  on
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>>  your own.  ï¿½  J. A. A. �
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>>  On Apr 18, 11:53 pm, Jonathan Ashley<
> >>>>>      >  >  jonathanashle...@lavabit.com
> >>>>>      <mailto:jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>>
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>>  wrote:
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>>>  But John, you're the one who has written a socialist
> >>>>>      >  >  constitution.
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>>>  On 04/18/2011 08:31 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>>>>  Jonathan:  Mainly he's done that by attacking the
> >>>>>      capitalist
> >>>>>      >  >  system
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>>>>  that made this country great; and by supposing
> >>>>>      that government
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  should
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>>>>  control everything (with him in charge).  The fact
> >>>>>      that you
> >>>>>      >  >  even
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  ask
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>>>>  that question confirms my initial gut reaction
> >>>>>      that you are a
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>>>>  socialist-communist, like 95% of Democrats are.
> >>>>>       The remaining
> >>>>>      >  >  5%
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  are
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>>>>  just stupid.  You're in both of those groups.  ï¿½
> >>>>>      J. A.
> >>>>>      >  >  Armistead
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  ï¿½
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>>>>  Patriot
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>>>>  On Apr 18, 3:03 pm, Jonathan Ashley<
> >>>>>      >  >  jonathanashle...@lavabit.com
> >>>>>      <mailto:jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>>
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>>>>  wrote:
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>>>>>  John,
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>>>>>  That you own stock in a company that routinely
> >>>>>      downgrades
> >>>>>      >  >  websites
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  based
> >>>>>      >  >  >  >  >  >>>>>>  on "link relevance" over "content relevance" says
>
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Re: Wringing-the-Neck of Empty Ritual.

J. Ashley: The Constitution with the fewest words says: "Do unto
others as you would have them do unto you." My close second choice
is: "Fair play and democracy shall have supremacy in the USA!" Think
those are short enough? — J. A. A. —
>
On Apr 26, 5:26 pm, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
wrote:
> John,
>
> How does using 160-plus words to say something that requires only 43
> words to state make anything easier to comprehend?
>
> On 04/26/2011 12:49 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
>
> > Dear J. Ashley:  What you don't realize is that each paragraph in my
> > New Constitution corrects multiple problems.  You are assuming that
> > every word is for correcting just one problem.  I can assure you that
> > my document is the most efficient and readable wording.  It is written
> > in the narrative style expressly to be comprehended by people of
> > average intelligence.  Once most Americans know what my New
> > Constitution says, it will be unlikely government will ever over-step
> > its boundaries again.  ï¿½  J. A. A. �
> > On Apr 25, 1:16 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> > wrote:
> >> John,
>
> >> I accomplished the same outcome with 43 words of clarity that you did
> >> with your convoluted paragraph of more than 160 words.
>
> >> On 04/24/2011 05:28 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
>
> >>> J. Ashley:  How quickly YOU forget!  The following is from my New
> >>> Constitution:
> >>> "Section 9&    10:  Other than the President or his agents, no person,
> >>> news medium, organization, group, their envoys, or any lobby, within
> >>> government or without, shall be allowed to contact representatives
> >>> while such are in Washington.  However, invited persons or groups can
> >>> make scheduled depositions provided they don�t communicate with the
> >>> representatives otherwise.  A representative�s constituents shall be
> >>> allowed to contact them for the purpose of influencing their votes
> >>> only while they are in their home states or districts.
> >>> Representatives shall regularly contact their district offices or
> >>> return to their districts to be informed of the wishes of their
> >>> constituents, and their constituents only, and shall be held
> >>> accountable for the representativeness of their votes.  The
> >>> solicitation of Citizen support is permitted, but the targeted
> >>> solicitation of representatives in any place, by any person,
> >>> organization, group, or lobby within government or without, is
> >>> prohibited.  Overt solicitation, feting, or laudatory ceremony, as
> >>> above, is a felony�defined as any crime requiring a minimum three year
> >>> prison sentence, but time off for good behavior is allowed."  ï¿½ John
> >>> A. Armistead �  Patriot
> >>> On Apr 22, 11:50 am, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> John,
> >>>> How quick you forget. Do you not remember when you challenged me once
> >>>> before? I posted the following problem and solution:
> >>>>       (1) The lobbying of Members of Congress by any Person on behalf of
> >>>>       anyone other than themselves shall be prohibited.
> >>>>       (2) Any Person found guilty of lobbying under the Prohibitions of
> >>>>       this Article shall be imprisoned for not less than 10 Years and/or
> >>>>       deported;
> >>>> On 04/21/2011 06:38 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
> >>>>> J. Ashley:  You never did define a single problem with our government
> >>>>> or society, and solve that problem in less than four sentences.  I did
> >>>>> that for fourteen years!  Convoluted or not, my New Constitution
> >>>>> solves society's problems!  ï¿½  J. A. A. �
> >>>>> On Apr 21, 12:06 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> John,
> >>>>>> How does your reply have anything to do with what I posted? It's no
> >>>>>> wonder YOUR New Constitution is so convoluted.
> >>>>>> On 04/20/2011 08:45 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
> >>>>>>> Jonathan: "Polite" public figures can't go around calling everyone
> >>>>>>> stupid.  There are contexts in which public health care makes sense.
> >>>>>>> But FORCED Obama Care isn't that context!  ï¿½ J. A. A. �
> >>>>>>> On Apr 20, 12:54 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> John,
> >>>>>>>> 1) Trump has no ideology!
> >>>>>>>> 2) The District of Criminals is filled with Republican socialists.
> >>>>>>>> On 04/20/2011 02:00 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Jonathan: That would be "the pot calling the kettle black".  If Trump
> >>>>>>>>> was a socialist he would be a Democrat and pro Obama.  When one's
> >>>>>>>>> ideology has failed, like yours has, blame the opposition for your own
> >>>>>>>>> socialist-communist traits.  You, like Mark, are very screwed-up in
> >>>>>>>>> the head.  ï¿½  J. A. A. �
> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 19, 12:50 am, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> *John,
> >>>>>>>>>> I cannot belive you call me -- a voluntaryist/anarchist -- a socialist,
> >>>>>>>>>> yet you cannot see that Donald Trump is a full-blown socialist. Pay
> >>>>>>>>>> attention!*
> >>>>>>>>>>http://www.americablog.com/2009/02/donald-trump-is-socialist.htmlhttp......
> >>>>>>>>>> On 04/18/2011 08:48 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Folks:  The following essay contains the first two articles of my New
> >>>>>>>>>>> Constitution.  I'm copying it, below, so those looking in the present
> >>>>>>>>>>> post can find it.  Hope you readers are having a great Spring!
> >>>>>>>>>>> Can Donald Trump �Fix� the Thin Ice that the USA is skating on?
> >>>>>>>>>>> The contrast is striking between the potential presidential candidacy
> >>>>>>>>>>> of The Donald and every other might-be candidate mentioned.  For one
> >>>>>>>>>>> thing, if The Donald says he can fix something�like our broke economy�
> >>>>>>>>>>> you can damn-well take him seriously!  Some of you may recall that a
> >>>>>>>>>>> certain new ice skating rink in New York�s Central Park started
> >>>>>>>>>>> leaking water and couldn�t be used.  That work had been done by three
> >>>>>>>>>>> or four labor unions with each one pointing the fingers at the other.
> >>>>>>>>>>> After millions of dollars had been wasted on attempted patches, The
> >>>>>>>>>>> Donald took over the entire job and had happy skaters out on that ice
> >>>>>>>>>>> before long.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Every day when I realize how much labor unions of all kinds are
> >>>>>>>>>>> effectively screwing the US economy and preventing our having a really
> >>>>>>>>>>> �free� free enterprise system, I think of The Donald.  He has been
> >>>>>>>>>>> able to find considerable success working in the morass of labor
> >>>>>>>>>>> unions and government regulations that are found in NYC.  That man
> >>>>>>>>>>> THRIVES on being able to get the disparate powers-that-be to get the
> >>>>>>>>>>> job done!  Part of the secret is his charisma.  But most of it is
> >>>>>>>>>>> because he is a trustworthy man-of-his-word.  He makes sure that all
> >>>>>>>>>>> those involved in a project realize just what their responsibilities
> >>>>>>>>>>> are, and what they are expected to do if there are any glitches.  In
> >>>>>>>>>>> short, The Donald is one of the top businessmen in the country of all
> >>>>>>>>>>> time.  His executive experience probably exceeds that of the governors
> >>>>>>>>>>> of most states.  Under him people do their jobs and do them well.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Just having The Donald as the head man improves the quality of
> >>>>>>>>>>> projects, because it�s an honor just to be associated with one of his
> >>>>>>>>>>> projects!
> >>>>>>>>>>> Obviously, Donald Trump is politically conservative.  But he doesn�t
> >>>>>>>>>>> owe-his-soul to the Republican Party like most of his would-be rivals
> >>>>>>>>>>> do even without realizing that they do.  The USA has been hamstrung
> >>>>>>>>>>> trying to avoid looking like a colonialist aggressor every time we
> >>>>>>>>>>> �invade� other nations to help the oppressed. The reason oil fields
> >>>>>>>>>>> get set on fire is because those people suppose we are there� just for
> >>>>>>>>>>> their oil.  By destroying the oil, they believe we will simply go
> >>>>>>>>>>> away.  The blind-leading-the-blind in our government think that the
> >>>>>>>>>>> USA has the financial wherewithal to finance long wars, and will have
> >>>>>>>>>>> enough wherewithal remaining to rebuild the busted infrastructure of
> >>>>>>>>>>> the invaded countries; train the new armies; and care for those �poor�
> >>>>>>>>>>> people till they are back on their feet.  All of that is being done
> >>>>>>>>>>> like forced charity from the big-hearted American People whose
> >>>>>>>>>>> standards of living keep dropping, because of the explosion in the
> >>>>>>>>>>> size and the over-control of our government.  If The Donald can get us
> >>>>>>>>>>> trillions of dollars worth of oil to repay the American Taxpayers for
> >>>>>>>>>>> our sacrifices, I�ll vote for him!
> >>>>>>>>>>> Some good news is that Republicans now have trillions of dollars in
> >>>>>>>>>>> �possible� budget cuts that might save this country.  The bad news is
> >>>>>>>>>>> that those takes-too-long-to-happen cuts will still leave the never-
> >>>>>>>>>>> should-have-been-there-in-the-first-place entitlement programs being
> >>>>>>>>>>> run by government.  After the nearly 15 years that I�ve spent penning
> >>>>>>>>>>> and polishing my New Constitution, I have better than average ideas
> >>>>>>>>>>> how to fix our government, fast.  The following 5 things aren�t
> >>>>>>>>>>> written into the New Constitution, but are of fundamental importance:
> >>>>>>>>>>> 1.  Get our government out of the entitlement business!  Privatize
> >>>>>>>>>>> Social Security; Medicare; Medicaid; and Unemployment Insurance, etc.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Like the Republicans are now planning to do, protect those now in
> >>>>>>>>>>> programs from being hurt who are close to retirement.  But unlike
> >>>>>>>>>>> Republicans, once and forever, get the USA out of managing the
> >>>>>>>>>>> entitlement business!  If government pulls any of the strings, things
> >>>>>>>>>>> will start getting bad again, soon.
> >>>>>>>>>>> 2.  Inform China and our other creditors that the USA will not be
> >>>>>>>>>>> paying them any interest on their loans.  We will repay the principal,
> >>>>>>>>>>> but only when doing so won�t jeopardize our recovery.
> >>>>>>>>>>> 3.  Bring home 90% of US troops within 90
>
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Re: Wringing-the-Neck of Empty Ritual.

CORRECTION: ...if you proposed ANARCHY (not atheism!) Note: All of
the talk about Muslims also controlling governments will bend the mind
a bit. — J. A. A. —
>
On Apr 26, 3:44 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> J. Ashley:  I care very little about "besting you" by twisting your
> words.  In the USA if you proposed atheism and "organized" followers
> for that, you would be subverting the government (a Representative
> Republic) and that would be TREASON.  If your ideal is having a
> minimum efficient government, that is legal.  But advocating no
> government will get you in a heap of trouble very quickly.  What would
> most likely happen is that you would be arrested and made to undergo
> psychiatric evaluation.  It's unlike you would pass muster.  Sorry I
> can't be more supportive.  Being "right" of me is to be guilty of
> TREASON.  —  J. A. Armistead —  Patriot
>
> On Apr 25, 11:58 am, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> wrote:
>
> > John,
>
> > Once again you have twisted what was said to reflect what you want to hear.
>
> > I never said that Belgium was "the ideal of the world." I merely pointed
> > out that Belgium has gone more than 300 days without a national
> > government and they are doing just fine.
>
> > On 04/25/2011 06:15 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
>
> > > Mark:  Tell that to J. Ashley.  He's holding up Belgium as the ideal
> > > of the world, and Jonathan is an out-and-out anarchist.  —  J. A. A. —
> > > On Apr 24, 11:37 pm, Mark<markmka...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > >> There is no "anarchy in Belgium:
> > >> *an·ar·chy*/ˈanərkē/Noun
> > >> 1. A state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.
> > >> 2. Absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as
> > >> a political ideal.
>
> > >> It is not history, it is current events.
>
> > >> If you are writing a constitution you should have known this. You should
> > >> also know that absolute Democracy, absolute Communism and Socialism are for
> > >> the most part identical in practice (if it were possible)
>
> > >> To say we need more Democracy as you often do is the same as saying we need
> > >> more Communism and or Socialism....
>
> > >> Just how ignorant are you ??
>
> > >> On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 7:02 PM, NoEinstein<noeinst...@bellsouth.net>wrote:
>
> > >>> Mark:  Please find yourself a history buff.  I'm not the least
> > >>> interested in anarchy, in Belgium or anywhere!  — J. A. A. —
> > >>> On Apr 22, 4:33 pm, Mark<markmka...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > >>>> And it still functions without the lawmakers.... Go figure.
> > >>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Jonathan Ashley<
> > >>>> jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>  wrote:
> > >>>>>   John,
> > >>>>> "In terms of comparative social spending on welfare-related programs as
> > >>> a
> > >>>>> percentage of the gross domestic product (GDP), Denmark ranks first,
> > >>>>> spending more than 29 percent of GDP on its welfare-related programs.
> > >>> Next
> > >>>>> is Sweden (nearly 29 percent), followed by France, Germany, Belgium,
> > >>>>> Switzerland, Austria, and Finland. The United Kingdom ranks in the
> > >>> middle of
> > >>>>> the pack in 13th place (nearly 22 percent of GDP). The United States
> > >>> ranks
> > >>>>> near the bottom, in 26th place (out of 29), spending less than 15
> > >>> percent of
> > >>>>> its GDP on social welfare programs. The United States ranks just ahead
> > >>> of
> > >>>>> Ireland, Mexico, and South Korea."
> > >>>>>http://pagerankstudio.com/Blog/2011/03/what-is-welfare-state/
> > >>>>> ------------------------------
> > >>>>> On 04/22/2011 08:41 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
> > >>>>> On average, yes they are!  Few in Belgium look to government for
> > >>>>> handouts.  In the USA, close to 45% want a government handout.
> > >>>>> Anything over 5% is excessive.  But that's why I've written my New
> > >>>>> Constitution—to get government out of the hand-out, pull-the-strings
> > >>>>> business!   —  John A. Armistead —  Patriot
> > >>>>>    On Apr 21, 9:56 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>  <
> > >>> jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>   So, you're saying the People of Belgium are better People than those
> > >>> in
> > >>>>> the United States?
> > >>>>>   J. Ashley:  Run your experiments in Belgium, then!  The USA would be
> > >>>>> in civil war...   � J. A. A. �
> > >>>>> On Apr 21, 12:04 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>  <
> > >>> jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>   John,
> > >>>>>     It is highly doubtful that we would return to the stone age without
> > >>>>> government. Belgium has been without a national government for more
> > >>> than
> > >>>>> 313 days and "Belgians say the absence of a government doesn't make
> > >>> much
> > >>>>> of a difference in their daily lives."
> > >>>>>     On 04/20/2011 08:42 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
> > >>>>>     Jonathan:  You are showing some smarts there!  Since I am an untra-
> > >>>>> conservative capitalist, I don't like being... "left" of anyone,
> > >>>>> because that would seem to make me... a God-damned liberal.  I
> > >>>>> deliberately avoided using the "L" word, because I am the exact
> > >>>>> opposite.  If your ego considers being an anarchist more conservative
> > >>>>> than me, consider this: The USA would return to the 'stone ages'
> > >>>>> within one month of there being no government(s).  So, your "ideal" of
> > >>>>> no taxation and no government won't benefit a soul on Earth.  Is
> > >>>>> having you "get real" too much to ask?  ï¿½  J. A. Armistead �
> > >>>   Patriot
> > >>>>> On Apr 20, 12:50 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>  <
> > >>> jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>   John,
> > >>>>> Since anarchy is absence of government, how can one be "right" of
> > >>>>> anarchy? (I don't actually expect an answer, as you NEVER answer
> > >>>>> questions posed to you.)
> > >>>>> On 04/20/2011 01:54 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
> > >>>>>   Jonathan:  For you, anything 'right' of anarchy is socialist.  I
> > >>>>> suggest you write your one paragraph constitution banning government.
> > >>>>> Unless you are from the stone ages, you won't survive very long on
> > >>>>> your own.  ï¿½  J. A. A. �
> > >>>>> On Apr 18, 11:53 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>  <
> > >>> jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>   But John, you're the one who has written a socialist constitution.
> > >>>>> On 04/18/2011 08:31 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
> > >>>>>   Jonathan:  Mainly he's done that by attacking the capitalist system
> > >>>>> that made this country great; and by supposing that government should
> > >>>>> control everything (with him in charge).  The fact that you even ask
> > >>>>> that question confirms my initial gut reaction that you are a
> > >>>>> socialist-communist, like 95% of Democrats are.  The remaining 5% are
> > >>>>> just stupid.  You're in both of those groups.  ï¿½ J. A. Armistead �
> > >>>>> Patriot
> > >>>>> On Apr 18, 3:03 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>  <
> > >>> jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>   John,
> > >>>>> That you own stock in a company that routinely downgrades websites
> > >>> based
> > >>>>> on "link relevance" over "content relevance" says much about your
> > >>>>> credibility regarding the understanding of what freedom of expression
> > >>> means.
> > >>>>> That you believe Obama "has caused more economic and social harm to the
> > >>>>> USA than any other person who ever lived, including Hitler" seems
> > >>>>> ludicrous. Just how has he (as an individual) been able to pull off
> > >>> this
> > >>>>> tremendous task?
> > >>>>> On 04/17/2011 09:05 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
> > >>>>>   Dear Mark:  I own Google stock.  It's an American multinational
> > >>>>> Corporation that's headquartered in Mountain View, California.  Google
> > >>>>> World shows the new complex quite well.  In many ways you are very
> > >>>>> naive.  Your obvious desire to protect Barack Obama's neck from the
> > >>>>> noose is tantamount to looking-the-other-way to those who commit
> > >>>>> TREASON every day of their existence.  Would you put on moderation
> > >>>>> someone who proposes that Libyan President Kadafi should be killed?
> > >>>>> Do you suppose it is Google's obligation to protect those who kill
> > >>>>> their citizens?  Hundreds, if not thousands, of Americans have
> > >>>>> committed suicide because of the bad economy and the lack of jobs
> > >>>>> resulting from Obama's socialist-capitalist policies.  He has caused
> > >>>>> more economic and social harm to the USA than any other person who
> > >>>>> ever lived, including Hitler.
> > >>>>> Treason is a recognized capital offense.  Those in our government and
> > >>>>> in our law enforcement who don't press to have that bastard arrested,
> > >>>>> tried and hanged are themselves in violation of the Constitution for
> > >>>>> giving aid and comfort to the enemy.  Keith suggested that you,
> > >>>>> Jonathan and MJ are anxious to read my next "missive".  He's viewed
> > >>>>> you all in a favorable light, before.  As for me, I suspect you are so
> > >>>>> screwed-up in the head that you are both for and against having a
> > >>>>> better government.  That means you have schizophrenia.  Get some couch-
> > >>>>> time, Mark.  You need it!  ï¿½  J. A. Armistead �  Patriot
> > >>>>> On Apr 16, 10:28 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE<markmka...@gmail.com>  <
> > >>> markmka...@gmail.com>            wrote:
> > >>>>>   Einstein,
> > >>>>> Again, you mistake me for someone that is liable under the present, or
> > >>>>> your future, US Constitution. The message you received is the standard
> > >>>>> message sent to all new or moderated members, get used to it. It
> > >>>>> originates from outside the US and is also not liable under US law.
> > >>>>> Isn't the internet grand when the originating country has the
> > >>>>> responsibility for what is or is not allowed under their law(s).
> > >>>>> On Apr 16, 7:11 pm, NoEinstein<noeinst...@bellsouth.net>  <
> > >>> noeinst...@bellsouth.net>            wrote:
> > >>>>>   Dear Keith:  I sensed that there was a
>
> ...
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Violence breaks out in NYC Mosque

A holy war erupted yesterday at a Sikh temple in Queens -- where
worshippers wielding swords and cricket bats interrupted a prayer
session to attack their rivals in a vicious power struggle, police and
witnesses said.

Rival factions at the Baba Makhan Shah Lobana Sikh Center in South
Richmond Hill have been bickering for months over control, authorities
and members said.

The dispute reached a bloody climax yesterday when the infighting turned
violent, accompanied by screams, taunts and death threats.

The alleged attackers -- armed with at least one sword about 40 inches
long, and another sword, according to a witness -- were part of the old
guard that had been recently voted out of power but refused to accept
the decision, even going to court to challenge the election.

"We just went to pray," said M.K. Singh, who received stitches and
staples to close a head wound. "We walked inside, and they started
attacking.

"They cut me. They tried to cut my arm off, but the sword got caught on
[something]. I'm very lucky."

New temple President Gurmej Singh said he and his supporters had come to
pray despite knowing there could be trouble.

Police had been deployed outside the two-story center in case anything
happened, but the violence broke out inside.

The attackers brought the long sword and at least one other blade, as
well as a hammer, mallet and cricket bats to the temple at 101st Avenue
and 114th Street at around 11 a.m., witnesses and police said.

Three people were reported injured, including a cop who tried to
intervene, police said.

A witness said at least seven others were hurt as victims fought back.
None suffered life-threatening injuries.

Seven people were arrested, including Harinder Singh, 47, who was
charged with assault after allegedly punching a man in the eye. Others
were charged with unlawful assembly, resisting arrest, rioting, and
disrupting a religious service.

At the 102nd Precinct, where the suspects were processed, cops struggled
to keep the two sides apart.

"Something is behind this," said Gurmej Singh, who accused the old
regime of financial mismanagement. "It's money."

He said the perpetrators vowed to attack again next week.

http://yourjewishnews.com/5747.aspx

I have some Sikhs living on my block. Wonder if this is the temple they
attend.

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Re: obama birth certificate?

http://market-ticker.org/The Market Ticker ®

Commentary on The Capital Markets

Posted 2011-04-27 19:28
by Karl Denninger 
in Politics

You GOT To Be Kidding #3

 

#2 looks like AP took a printed copy and scanned it.  Fair enough.

But... you are not going to believe this....

Ah, the good doctor's name was David, right?  Looks like Sinclair for the last name, but I can't be certain.

Did a David Sinclair deliver a baby on that date?  Are you sure?

Uh, who delivered that baby again?  Rodney and David are...... not the same guy, and that doc's last name on the certificatemost certainly is not "West."

My my we've having fun this evening, aren't we?

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Space Invaders - Native American Lands

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ALLEN WEST to Liberals: "You will NOT intimidate me!"

ALLEN WEST to Liberals: "You will NOT intimidate me!" barenakedislam | April 27, 2011 at 4:42 PM | Categories: Uncategorized | URL: http://wp.me/peHnV-tck

Liberal slime try to disrupt Allen West appearance. Police make arrests. Fat ugly leftie bitch mouths off at the police and yells, "Get your hand off me."  DRAFT ALLEN WEST 2012 MORE OF THE BEST FROM WEST: allen-west

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