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Subject: News Alert: Osama bin Laden Is Dead, U.S. Official Says
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Breaking News Alert
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Sun, May 01, 2011 -- 10:43 PM ET
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Osama bin Laden Is Dead, U.S. Official Says

Osama bin Laden has been killed, a United States official
said.

President Obama is expected to make an announcement on Sunday
night, almost ten years after the September 11 attacks on the
World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

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And you are obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer.....
 


 
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 5:04 AM, studio <tlack@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 12:15 pm, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow, Obama is more clever than I thought....

Everyone is more clever than you think.

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On Apr 30, 12:15 pm, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow, Obama is more clever than I thought....

Everyone is more clever than you think.

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On Apr 30, 7:38 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just another illegal alien waiting to be deported by Republitards.
> ----
> at it should ... our law says illegal aliens are to be deported
> they are criminals/parasites
>
> choose sides carefully

I choose Supermans side... you choose the Retard side.

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On Apr 30, 10:37 am, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The bad (worst) thing about Social Security is congress can rape and
> pillage it any time they like.

Yet only one stupid party does.

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Stupid Bush Jr. let him get away.

Looks like Obama cleaned up another Bush Jr. mess.

Oh-Ba-Ma, Oh-Ba-Ma, Oh-Ba-Ma!

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God Save First-Past-the-Post Elections!
May 1, 2011 by S.M. Oliva

If you thought the British couldn't find a better waste of money than the Royal Wedding, just wait until this Thursday, when David Cameron's government conducts a national referendum -- the second in UK history -- that Cameron himself opposes. The subject is a new voting system that some US libertarians have fancied for this country. And I think I'm going to have to side with Mr. Cameron on this one.

After last year's general election produced a hung parliament, Cameron's Conservative Party formed a coalition with the third-place Liberal Democrats. The price of Lib-Dem support was Cameron's agreement to hold a referendum on the so-called Alternative Vote system. Instead of simply voting for a candidate and declaring the person with the most votes the winner, the Alternative Vote allows voters to rank all candidates. If no candidate receives a majority of the first-preference votes, the candidate with the lowest total is eliminated and his votes are redistributed according to each voter's subsequent preferences. This process repeats until a candidate obtains a majority.

Many US Libertarian Party activists support the Alternate Vote system -- the national LP platform has endorsed it -- which is referred to here as instant-runoff voting (IRV).  The system has been used in some local elections. Burlington, Vermont, conducted two mayoral elections under IRV, but after the second election resulted in the first-preference winner losing the final count, voters repealed the system.

As the term IRV suggests, supporters tout the method as eliminating the need for costly runoff elections in cases where there is a minimum threshold to elect a candidate (for example, Burlington has always required a 40% threshold to elect its mayor). Why have a second election when you can have voters rank their second (or third or fourth) choice in advance? This seems to drive a lot of LP support for the idea.

In the UK -- where elections have always been "first past the post" without requiring a minimum percentage -- AV supporters say the system is "fairer" and more democratic, since House of Commons candidates will now need a majority to win election; under first-part-the-post, a winner might only receive one-third of the votes if more than two parties contest the seat. And since voters can rank their preferences for multiple candidates, they can cast a first-preference ballot for a minor-party candidate without worrying their vote will be "wasted," since they can still cast a lower-preference vote for a mainstream candidate.

This is the sore point for AV opponents. David Cameron, opining against the referendum in Sunday's Telegraph, who insists the traditional, first-past-the-post method is actually fairer:
It is enshrined in our constitution and integral to our history -- and AV flies in the face of all that because it destroys one person, one vote.
If you vote for a mainstream candidate who comes top in the first round, your other preferences will never be counted.
But if you vote for a fringe candidate who gets knocked out early, your other votes will be counted.
That means the second, third, even fourth votes of someone who supports the Monster Raving Looney Party can count as much as the first vote of someone who supports a mainstream party. That is unfair and undemocratic.
The pro-AV campaign counters that ranking preference merely allows the voter to transfer his existing vote without actually generating a new one. As the Yes in May 2011 organization's website put it, "If you go to the chip shop, and order cod and chips but they are out of cod, and you choose pie and chips instead, you have still only had one meal."

From the libertarian -- small l, not LP -- perspective, it's unclear how AV helps or hurts individual rights one way or the other. It seems AV supporters' primary objective is increasing voter participation, and that's far from a desirable libertarian objective. Every increase in the franchise has coincided with a massive expansion of state power. When voting becomes a "right," natural rights tend to suffer.

Indeed, the principal "benefit" of AV is that it manufactures the illusion of majority rule. The whole point is to manipulate the ballot count until someone has a majority of the votes counted, if not an absolute majority. Thus the winner can claim "legitimacy" based on the fact he received most of the votes that were counted -- the final time.

The only large-scale democracy that employs AV is Australia, which has used it in lower house elections since 1912. Australia also has compulsory voting, where people are fined if they don't go to the polls -- yet another handy tool when you're trying to maintain the illusion of majority consent for the state's operations.

And if the Australian example is instructive, AV does not substantially improve the competitiveness of minor parties. Australia, like the UK, has two dominant parties with a third party that occasionally swings the balance of power. Only one seat (out of 150) in the current Australian House of Representatives is not held by one of these three parties. In contrast, the current British House of Commons has 29 (out of 650) seats held by minor parties.

That Britain's third party, the Liberal Democrats, back AV is also telling. They are unlikely to gain many more seats under this system versus the current one. But AV could help them preserve their niche as a swing bloc in the House. AV will help prevent "erosion" of Lib-Dem voters who might turn to the Labour Party, and it could create a structural leftist majority for the two parties ­ which would also explain the veracity of the Conservative opposition.

AV could also be a stepping stone towards the dream of third parties everywhere -- proportional representation, where seats are assigned in the legislature by popular support for political parties without regard for local constituencies. Again, there are some LP-types who think this would be good for their cause. And again, I'm skeptical. Proportional representation can be the worst of all worlds. Legislators are loyal to a political organization first, not any particular group of voters. More importantly, proportional representation fractures legislative bodies to the point where governments build "coalitions" by nakedly bribing smaller parties with favors -- which means more government spending and more economic intervention.

Small-l libertarians should avoid the temptation of AV/IRV, proportional representation, and other electoral system "reforms." The absence of competing political parties within a legislature is less problematic than the absence of competition between legislative and executive (and judicial) powers. As Danny Sanchez noted the other day, "It was after the House of Commons became all-powerful in the late 19th century that Great Britain became a welfare-warfare state" -- a consequence of the weakening of the monarchy and Lords as competing sources of political authority.

http://blog.mises.org/16734/god-save-first-past-the-post-elections/#more-16734
"Lyndon Johnson X-rayed people's mail during the Vietnam War, but it was Republicans who created the anti-Constitutional Department of Homeland Security (just as they created the equally illegal FEMA), the sick, perverted, corrupt TSA, and rammed the abominable Patriot Act -- which needs repealing every bit as much as Obamacare -- down our throats."

THE LIBERTARIAN ENTERPRISE
Number 617, May 1, 2011
"Is this the kind of future you wanted?"
How They Will Get Your Guns And Everything Else They Want
by L. Neil Smith, lneil@netzero.com

As a writer of science fiction, I have often found myself making predictions. Reasonably often -- as with the collapse of the Soviet Union, the advent of the Internet, .40 caliber automatic pistols, laptop computers, wall-sized monitors, iPods, iPads, and PDAs, the failure of Japan to take over the world economy, and the failure of civilization to be utterly destroyed due to Y2K -- my predictions come true.

None of these predictions were made for their own sake, but most often as an organic part of a story I was writing. They were not made with psychic powers, a crystal ball, or Tarot cards, but on the basis of my understanding, acquired over six and a half decades, of history and human nature. Nor do they prognosticate some vast conspiracy, just a certain class of scumbags who know on which side their bread is buttered.

Regrettably, it isn't that hard. For example, it should be clear by now that -- although America is in an unprecedented mess entirely of their making -- the current crop of politicians don't want things to get better, they want them to get worse. I do not exclude Republicans, in fact, their role in making it happen was absolutely pivotal. Never forget that while Bill Clinton opined that the Founding Fathers had given us too many rights and some of them needed to be taken back, George W. Bush denounced the Bill of Rights as "just a damned piece of paper".

It was Republicans and Democrats alike who interfered in peoples' lives again and again in the Middle East, deposing their leaders and inserting new ones at a whim, finally murdering hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children by depriving them of food and medicine. September 11, 2001, when it came, was the only way those people had of fighting back.

If you believe the official government 9/11 story, that is.

It was Republicans who started two brutal, unnecessary, insane wars in order to ship most of our military overseas -- especially the reserves and the National Guard -- which, as I will demonstrate later, was the first major step in a desire to "reduce [us] under absolute despotism".

Lyndon Johnson X-rayed people's mail during the Vietnam War, but it was Republicans who created the anti-Constitutional Department of Homeland Security (just as they created the equally illegal FEMA), the sick, perverted, corrupt TSA, and rammed the abominable Patriot Act -- which needs repealing every bit as much as Obamacare -- down our throats.

Yet the TSA serves its purpose: intrusive, illegal searches at airports -- expanding now to train depots and bus terminals -- make travel difficult and unpleasant. Random roadblocks and skyrocketing fuel prices have the same effect on travel by car. Insane passport rules render escape impossible. The idea is to trap people in their homes.

Take their natural rights away and dole them back out as special privileges for "good behavior". Make independent economic life as hard as possible through inflation and the brutal suppression on private exchanges of monetary metals. Tighten controls on all unauthorized communication, then raise the price of electricity, heating oil and gas. Prosecute "hoarders" who have stocked up on food and medicine. Manufacture reasonable excuses to reduce and finally shut utilities off, gradually making freestanding houses and whole neighborhoods uninhabitable.

The next step: take advantage of natural disasters or actually to create disasters in the form of false flag "terrorist attacks" as an excuse to evacuate residential areas by force. I believe the current regime greatly desires and is actively attempting to foment an armed uprising which they will then have as an excuse to suppress in any manner they like, not excluding the use of tactical-sized neutron bombs.

Bug-out bags? Mountain retreats? Forget about it. Herd the people into emergency "shelters" or FEMA camps, where they'll be searched for weapons, cash, and any other valuables, processed to weed out likely resistors who will be neatly "disappeared". Electronically "chip" those who remain. Search the abandoned houses in their owners' absence for guns and other valuables, volunteers to be paid a commission in loot.

After the now-helpless population has been roughed up enough, robbed enough, and raped enough by gangs in the emergency shelters and camps, offer them warm, comfortable, safe homes, and a "sustainable" diet in the new "arcologies" -- hundred-story tenements -- constructed to house the entire population, so the countryside can be "cleared" and finally "returned to nature" according to United Nations' Agenda 21.

Such construction is going on this very moment in China.

Naturally, exceptions will be made for the dachas -- luxurious country homes -- of politically deserving Nomenklatura and whatever attractive young peasants they choose to take with them for whatever purpose. For ordinary individuals, the price for being warm and dry and moderately well fed again, under this New World Order, is to give up every thought forever -- every memory, every hope -- of individual liberty.

Any resistors can be wiped out at leisure -- employing high-tech weapons of mass control being developed and tested in the Middle East -- by UN troops called in to maintain order in the unfortunate absence of American military forces that will never be allowed to come home again.

It is the UN's openly stated view that the Earth is a living organism with rights, and that the human race is a disease infecting it. The plan is to reduce the human population by at least 90 percent, which can be accomplished very easily, once everyone is confined and controlled.

I am a novelist, not an academic scholar. My articles and columns have no footnotes. But everything I've predicted here can be verified in just a few minutes by typing the key words in this essay into Google or any other search engine. None of it is secret. Its advocates are extremely proud of what they're planning for us, and open about it.

Is this the kind of future you wanted?

How do we stop them?

Stop being a "useful idiot" for the two-headed Boot On Your Neck party and end the phony war on phony terror. The War on (some) drugs, as well. Stop the wars overseas and bring our troops home to defend America.

Get the US out of the genocidal UN and the genocidal UN out of the US. Recognize environmentalism for the sham it is: nothing more than Marxism by other means. Understand that for many, environmentalism is a religion -- lovely Gaia is not only alive, but a goddess -- and environmental laws violate First Amendment separation of church and state.

Grow up. Understand and accept the regrettable but unavoidable fact that the only way to control the government is to become the government. Nobody in the freedom movement wants to hear it, but it's what 65 years have taught me, and to deny it would be dishonest and suicidal.

Understand, too, that I want desperately to be wrong this time with my predictions. I want to be mocked by future generations as a total crackpot and a paranoid. I don't care if I ever get any credit for helping to make Americans free again, as long as they are free again.

If you prefer the kind of future I've written about in my novels, if you want to live in a civilization dedicated to peace, freedom, progress, and prosperity, you can help me to destroy my future reputation by spreading these horrible predictions as far and wide as possible.

Now.

There isn't much time left.

http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2011/tle617-20110501-02.html
every rich ally of America has its hand out, expecting U.S. taxpayers
to pay for its defense. And policymakers of both parties are only too
happy to oblige.
----
it's time to clean house asap by any means necessary

On Apr 30, 8:52 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> Rescue the Republican Party from the InterventionistsBy Doug Bandow
> Published 04/27/11
> The U.S. government is essentially bankrupt, with debts and other unfunded obligations filling the horizon. Yet virtually every rich ally of America has its hand out, expecting U.S. taxpayers to pay for its defense. And policymakers of both parties are only too happy to oblige.
> Washington also is intent on remaking the globe. While fighting a bitter guerrilla war in a Central Asian nation and occupying a Middle Eastern country, the Obama administration has started bombing a North African land. There apparently is no foreign war in which Democrats and Republicans alike are not prepared to launch.
> Yet most of the leading voices in the Republican Party are upset that the U.S. government isn't doing more abroad. In promoting social engineering around the globe GOP politicians sound like liberal Democrats. The U.S. should spend ever more money and fight more wars overseas. To instead focus on solving America's problems is to be labeled a so-called "isolationist," at least in their warped way of thinking.
> One most fervent Republican laptop bombardiers is Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC). Sen. Graham has never found a war that he didn t want America to fight. He has never found another nation which didn t deserve to be bombed, invaded, or occupied by U.S. forces. To no one's surprise, he is one of the cheerleaders for attacking Libya. The lack of any discernible American security interest hasn't deterred him from demanding that the administration oust Moammar Qaddafi from power.
> Sen. Graham also enjoys spending money. He currently wants Washington to increase foreign aid for Egypt after having provided tens of billions of dollars in the past. Never mind that those past transfers have disappeared. Don't worry that it isn't clear who is in charge now. And don't be bothered about who is going to be in charge if elections are held. More good money should be dumped after bad: "Any Republican who says the U.S. shouldn't be spending money in Egypt right now doesn't understand the benefits." If only the good senator would explain what they are.
> However, Sen. Graham is not entirely disconnected from reality. He recognizes that the American people are less than enthused about proposals for new wars and more outlays overseas. Indeed, he worries that "it doesn't take long before" the Republican party "finds a war-weary nation and exploits it." He seems particularly worried about the new Tea Party generation, and the "unholy alliance" between politicians like Senator Rand Paul (R-KY), Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), Rep. Walter Jones (R-NC), and some on the left, such as Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), which could promote a constitutional noninterventionist foreign policy.
> Graham fears a foreign policy debate because he realizes that he speaks only for the small political elite which run Washington. Wannabe social engineers naturally flock to the imperial city and they believe the U.S. should act as an imperial nation. In contrast, most Americans, whatever their overall philosophy, have little desire to forcibly remake the world. They are extremely generous, but tire of being taken advantage of by friends and foes alike. They believe in freedom, but see little reason why Americans should die defending other nations which are well able to care for themselves.
> In fact, what Rep. Paul and most Americans believe is the best kind of internationalism. Most foreign relations should be among peoples rather than governments. Americans should be free to engage others. To trade for mutual economic advantage. To cooperate to promote shared interests. To provide aid in response to tragedy or poverty.
> The U.S. government also has a role: protecting the liberty, territory, and prosperity of Americans. Washington should act militarily only as a last resort and to protect U.S. security. The U.S. government shouldn't sell out American interests by allowing other nations to make decisions for America in the name of misguided internationalism. And U.S. policymakers shouldn't sell out American values by attempting to impose Washington's policies on other nations.
> The hyper-interventionism advocated by Sen. Graham runs against the most basic principles underlying the American republic. The colonists revolted against imperial rule. They did not set up a new nation in the hopes of imposing imperial rule upon others.
> Moreover, they wanted a limited government dedicated to the protection of individual liberties. But it is difficult, if not impossible, to maintain a republic at home while enforcing an empire abroad. Even if that empire imposes a lighter yoke than previous variants.
> As Randolph Bourne famously observed, "war is the health of the state." The U.S. currently accounts for half of the world s military spending. In real terms, America spends twice what it did on the military just a decade ago. And Washington today spends more in inflation-adjusted dollars than it did at any point during the Cold, Korean, or Vietnam Wars. It does not do so to protect America. It does so in an attempt to run the world.
> Yet intervention never seems to end. Instead, intervention begets intervention. For instance, supporting dictators in Cuba and Nicaragua helped trigger communist revolutions, which then led to American attempts at counter-revolution.
> The U.S. ousted Iran's democratically-elected government in 1953. A quarter century later the Islamists pushed out America's friendly dictator. The U.S. then backed Iraq against Iran, only later to turn against Iraq when it acted aggressively -- as Washington had feared Tehran would do. But ousting Saddam Hussein reestablished Iranian dominance in the Gulf, leading the U.S. most recently to back the Sunni monarchy in Bahrain in its crackdown on Shia democracy demonstrators, lest the latter turn to Iran. Rabid neocons want to start bombing Iran yesterday. And so it goes.
> Sen. Graham is a prime example of unprincipled intervention. A couple of years ago he was supping with Moammar Qaddafi in Tripoli and discussing military aid. After all, the good colonel had given up his nuclear programs, taken on al-Qaeda fighters, and rejoined the "international community." Now Sen. Graham wants the U.S. military to oust Qaddafi. If the rebels take over and turn out to be other than Western-style liberals, next year Sen. Graham is likely to be advocating a new, American-backed war of liberation in Libya.
> Alas, most of the names mentioned as possible Republican presidential contenders seem to share Sen. Graham's enthusiasm for sending young Americans out to bomb, invade, and occupy other nations for most any reason other than America's defense. Indeed, Libya is most closely modeled after Kosovo, where President Bill Clinton appeared to go to war because there were absolutely no U.S. interests at stake. Thus, he could feel good about himself. Never mind what was right for America.
> The starting point for American foreign policy is America, both its values and interests. The best way to advance them is to construct a foreign policy of restraint, one devoted to respecting and protecting a republic with a limited government based on individual liberty.
> The result is not isolationism. To the contrary, the American people should be freely involved in the world as traders and travelers, spurring commerce, sharing culture, and providing charity. Americans should be simultaneously teaching and learning. The U.S. government, too, should be engaged, cooperating with other states and international organizations when appropriate.
> But promiscuous meddling should be avoided. And war always should be a last resort. Uncle Sam should not be an imperious scold, an obnoxious overlord, a moralistic dictator. Such a role is unbecoming a nation created to be a shining city on the hill, an example to the world. Perhaps more important today, it's an impossible role for an improvident power which can't pay its bills. The time for imperial neoconservatism is over.http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=1424

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yet you don't see them even mentioning the idea of auditing the
federal reserve

btw - I ran into some of your buds from Boston in the Keys this week
they were a hoot!
they were musicians vacationing at the KW Songwriter Festival
they readily admitted knowing nothing about Southern music ... they're
learning

On Apr 30, 9:37 am, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The bad (worst) thing about Social Security is congress can rape and
> pillage it any time they like.

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man's imagination of a god and tornados have nothing in common

On Apr 30, 10:46 pm, dick thompson <rhomp2...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>        http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/04/8-year-old-boy-in-tornado-he-sai...

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replace his word "progressives" with the word jews and you'll get the
real picture

send them both packing and keep their war off our shores

don't get fooled again

On May 1, 5:51 am, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
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We got dragged into Libya by our NATO allies
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oh really?

Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger recently told fellow
elitists at three different globalist confabs that the US needs to
launch a ground invasion of Libya and keep the war running for at
least another year.

Kissinger gave almost the exact same speech at three different
conferences over the past two weeks, firstly during an April 8-10 get-
together at the George Washington University's Elliot School of
International Affairs, then at an Aspen Institute session on "Values
and Diplomacy" at the National Cathedral, and finally during the
Bretton Woods II conference in New Hampshire.

Kissinger made it clear that the ultimate intention was to do what
Obama specifically promised would never happen, a US ground invasion.

On May 1, 9:39 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> Time for the U.S. to Get Out of NATOby Gene HealyThis article appeared inThe DC Examineron April 26, 2011.Again and again, just when you think you've reached maximum possible cynicism about politics, you discover that, actually, you haven't been cynical enough. It's almost always worse than you think.
> You've probably heard that what President Obama trumpeted as "the biggest annual spending cut in history" was nothing of the sort. The purported cuts -- $38 billion from a federal budget $1.4 trillion in the red -- were pathetic enough at face value.
> But according to the Congressional Budget Office, the real total for this year is only $352 million -- with an "m." That, it turns out, wasn't even enough to cover the first six days of bombing Libya, which cost roughly $400 million.Two fruitless and expensive wars weren't enough, apparently, so we've now added a third.
> We got dragged into Libya by our NATO allies, who aren't competent to run a proper airwar against a crumbling Third-World autocracy, and are now complaining that we're not doing more to bail them out.
> It gets worse: Would you believe that we're in this mess largely because of the machinations of a preening French intellectual with friends in high places?
> France, you'll recall, was especially eager for war: first to recognize the rebel "government," and first to fire shots over Benghazi. "France has decided to play its part before history," President Nicolas Sarkozy pompously intoned. (Upon hearing that, a friend wisecracked, "How long now till Gaddafi rolls into Paris?").
> Credit or blame goes to French celebrity-philosopher Bernard Henri-Levy, who, "in the space of roughly two weeks," the New York Times reports, got "a fledgling Libyan opposition group a hearing from the president of France and the American secretary of state, a process that led both countries and NATO into waging war."
> Who is Bernard Henri-Levy (BHL)? He's heir to an industrial fortune, and a crusading socialist who favors open-collared shirts, stylishly long locks and "humanitarian" wars. One critic summed up BHL's persona tartly: "God is dead, but my hair is perfect."
> Henri-Levy's 2006 book, American Vertigo: Traveling America in the Footsteps of Tocqueville, was so condescending about America's "derangements," "dysfunctions" and "hyperobesity," it roused NPR's Garrison Keillor to a fit of patriotic ire. The normally placid Prairie Home Companion host called BHL "a French writer with a spatter-paint prose style and the grandiosity of a college sophomore."
> And yet, BHL -- clever boy -- helped entangle this fat, silly country in a conflict that Secretary of Defense Robert Gates admits "isn't a vital interest for the U. S." You can't make this stuff up.
> Since we turned command over to NATO, the British and French have been running short on laser-guided munitions and pleading with the U. S. to do more heavy lifting.
> But if our NATO allies can't get the job done, maybe it's because they've become military "welfare queens," free-riding off America's lavish defense budgets. The U. S. now accounts for nearly 75 percent of NATO members' overall military spending.
> What are we doing in NATO anyway? Maybe it made sense in 1949 to put aside our distrust of "entangling alliances" in order to confront the Soviet threat. But that threat disappeared two decades ago.
> Today, the alliance's main functions seem to be forcing the U. S. taxpayer to subsidize Europe's generous welfare states, and periodically embroiling us in conflicts, like Kosovo and Libya, that we'd be smarter to avoid.
> There are lessons to be learned from the Libyan debacle. For us, the main lesson is that NATO long ago outlived its usefulness. For Europe, it's that foreign adventurism doesn't come cheap. If you think these things are worth doing, pay your own way, and finish the fights you start.http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=13054

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Justice Louis Brandeis was a socialist zionist jew, who fought to
guarantee that Jewish minorities were included wherever minority
rights were recognized. He ruled against corporations, monopolies, and
consumerism.

know the enemy
they are among us

On May 1, 1:11 pm, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: rabiera <rabiera1
>
> Normally I would simply post a link to something like this, but there
> isn't one yet & I didn't want to wait.
>
> Some of you may be aware of the Log Cabin Republicans, who are having
> their convention in Dallas.
>
> One of the guests is Bob Barr, who gave a speech today - the text of
> which I received by email from LCR.  I am posting this speech here so
> you can judge for yourself what impact it might have on the whole
> marriage debate.  Note that it is prefaced by a quote from Ayn Rand.
>
> BTW, I have mixed feelings about the speech myself, but I want to give
> it a more thorough reading before I say anything about it.
>
> Rob Abiera
>
> Speech to the Log Cabin Republicans
> National Convention & Liberty Education Forum Symposium
> April 30, 2011
> Dallas, Texas
> by Congressman Bob Barr
>
> "The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in the insidious encroachment by
> men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."
> – Justice Louis Brandeis
>
> "We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the
> stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while
> the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the
> darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force."
> -- Ayn Rand
>
> "If I hear 'not allowed' much oftener," said Sam, "I'm going to get
> angry."
> –       J.R.R. Tolkien, "Lord of the Rings"
>
> Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for having me here today. While some
> folks might express surprise that I stand here today to speak at the
> Log Cabin Republicans National Convention, the common ground on which
> Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, and other civil libertarians
> find themselves with increasing frequency standing against government
> encroachments on liberty, should surprise no one here. I am delighted
> and honored to be with you, and to encourage you to continue in your
> work to refresh and restore America's promise of a society in which
> individual freedom is maximized, and in which the countervailing and
> often heavy hand of government power is minimized.
>
> I am here to speak with you about the most important topics of our
> time in history – individual liberty and the role of government in our
> lives. The marriage debate is an important element of this fundamental
> debate of the 21st Century (but certainly not the only one) – have we
> reached the tipping point in the balance between government power and
> individual freedom, such that the former has completely overwhelmed
> the latter?
>
> As Ludwig von Mises wrote, "Government is essentially the negation of
> liberty." Certainly, some degree of government is necessary to
> safeguard our unalienable rights to life, liberty, and property. Any
> degree of government that is more than necessary itself, intrudes on
> these rights, and should (must) be opposed. This includes those laws
> limiting personal choices and relationships that do not harm others.
>
> Just how bad has it become? We lawyers learn and can cite many of the
> more than 4,400 criminal laws limiting and defining behavior under
> federal law. All of us likewise are familiar in our professional and
> community lives with the many thousands more state and local laws and
> ordinances. What many people tend to overlook, however, are the many
> licensing requirements that define so many activities in our lives.
>
> A license is a control mechanism; also a means to raise revenue. To
> license is to grant permission. To license is to control. Which brings
> us to the real question when discussing whether same-sex marriage
> should be legal – why do individuals need the government's permission
> to marry? The real issue here is not marriage – it is control. Control
> – the Big C of 21st Century public policy. The important question is
> whether the government has the proper authority to dictate which
> individuals can enter into a binding legal agreement. The very nature
> and history of government action since our nation's founding reveals
> it is all about power and control. The effort to define marriage
> directly or indirectly is but another of many examples of this
> universal truth.
>
> But how we frame the debate is often times as important as how we
> actually fight the fight. The perspective we bring to discussion of
> issues involving personal liberty will largely determine our chances
> for success in such endeavors. If we define the question narrowly –
> "the Second Amendment simply protects the carrying of a firearm" –
> rather than as an element of a fundamental struggle between individual
> liberty and government power, we make it easier for government to
> succeed in its efforts to control. Defining the debate narrowly makes
> it easier for government to divide and conquer, or to trivialize the
> individual effort. In other words, when defending one's Second
> Amendment rights against government intrusion, the question should be
> framed thus: "the Second Amendment is not simply a mechanism to
> protect gun owners from having their right to possess a firearm taken
> away; but rather a means of protecting the fundamental liberty and
> freedom that comes with being a human being in a free society."
>
> The same applies to First Amendment freedoms. It is not simply about
> being able to read a particular newspaper or attend a particular
> church. Rather it is the fundamental freedom to possess and act on
> one's own, private beliefs and desires; to live one's life as one
> wishes. This reflects the fundamental right to privacy; the most
> important of all rights as noted by Ayn Rand in her 1943 novel "The
> Fountainhead." Justice Louis Brandeis concluded similarly 15 years
> earlier when, in 1928, he penned a famous dissent in the Olmstead
> case; in which he noted, "they [the makers of the Constitution]
> conferred, as against the government, the right to be let alone – the
> most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized
> men."
>
> Brandeis was right. Our Founders did understand this principle. As
> James Madison noted in Federalist No. 51, it is every bit as important
> that government "control itself" as it is to have government control
> the governed.
>
> Clearly, however, in recent decades we have not done a nearly adequate
> job of controlling government. In fact, we have permitted the sphere
> of government control to expand exponentially, with a corresponding
> shrinkage of the sphere of personal liberty. In modern times, we have
> done a pitiful job of using government to control government.
> Government and our Constitution are now used almost exclusively to
> expand, not limit, the power of government. Marriage is but one
> example.
>
> With the massive expansion of the regulatory state has come a vast
> increase in the power of the government to control personal behavior
> in every aspect of life; from who can marry and how one can defend
> one's life or property, to what type of light bulbs illuminate our
> homes and how much water can flow through our commodes. This is the
> slippery slope of regulatory creep or incrementalism. A prime example
> of this slippery slope of using government regulation to tighten the
> noose of control and restricting liberty can be seen in how the
> marriage issue has evolved throughout history. What was once a private
> contract between consenting individuals is now a complex web of laws
> and regulations affecting with more than 1,100 rights, duties, and
> entitlements granted only with the state's permission.
>
> Historically, marriage was considered and recognized simply as "a
> civil contract to which the consent of the parties is required."
> Marriage was for procreation as well as building financial, social
> and, in some cases, political alliances. Marriage licenses, however,
> were established to exert control and raise revenues when the state-
> run Church of England decided it wanted to have a say in approving
> marriage partnerships. This practice spread to the American colonies,
> where both the church and states allowed marriage by publication of
> "banns." A "bann" was a "public notice that was written, published or
> orally announced for three consecutive meetings at the churches of the
> bride and groom."
>
> Marriage licenses themselves, however, were not issued in America
> until the mid-1800s. Initially these licenses served a negative
> function -- to prohibit interracial marriages. In the intervening
> century and a half, such licenses have been employed to establish and
> enforce myriad prohibitions and benefits. By 1929 every state had
> adopted marriage license laws. One of the last refuges of individual
> liberty – common-law marriage – is being rapidly destroyed. Common-law
> marriage can no longer be contracted in 26 states (including in my
> home state of Georgia), thus forcing individuals who want to marry to
> seek and receive permission from the state.
>
> What was once seen as a contract between two individuals, which the
> state may be called upon to enforce (and which under Article I,
> Section 10 of the U.S. Constitution, should be protected against
> impairment by state actions!), became an institution for the state to
> regulate and control; simply another way for government to dictate how
> individuals may live. What was once a contract between two consenting
> individuals, perhaps their God, and possibly even after the groom
> obtained the father of the bride's permission, is now a mandated pact
> between those individuals, their God, and the state; with the state
> essentially "giving away" the bride and the groom with its grant of
> permission to marry.
>
> As libertarian David Boaz, Executive Vice-president of the CATO
> Institute, has pointed out, "privatizing marriage, would,
> incidentally, solve the gay-marriage problem. It would put gay
> relationships on the same footing as straight ones, without implying
> official government sanction. No one's private life would have the
> official government sanction – which is how it should be." By getting
> government out of the marriage business, or at least limiting its
> involvement by
>
> ...
>
> read more »

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Insurers Provide the Security
May 1, 2011 by Jeffrey Tucker

An excellent post at Grim's Grumblings shows how private insurance companies are the main way that ships protect themselves against pirates. This is the free market at work, precisely in the way that Robert Murphy predicted in his book Chaos Theory.
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<Grin>!
 
Done!
 


 
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes but you will say something clear and provocative and then if anyone reads my blog they can argue about it


On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Keith In Köln <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Bruce!
 
Uhm.....I think that might be the whole problem.....Apparently, I don't think like most Gay folks do.....I guess probably because I am not Gay.....I left the other group across the street,  it just got to the point where I am tired of fighting with a bunch of folks that I have relatively little in common with. 
 


 
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com> wrote:
Feel free to comment on my blog for politically incorrect gays


I have top confess I was at that dinner and slept through most of his speech as I had too many cocktails

So I have to read it later


On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Keith In Köln <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Bruce!
 
First, I have mixed feelings about Bob Barr, but this is interesting and thoughtful.   I want to read Barr's speech and think about it before I comment further....
 
Thanks for sharing this!  Good to see ya!
 
KeithInKöln

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com> wrote:


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: rabiera <rabiera1

Normally I would simply post a link to something like this, but there
isn't one yet & I didn't want to wait.

Some of you may be aware of the Log Cabin Republicans, who are having
their convention in Dallas.

One of the guests is Bob Barr, who gave a speech today - the text of
which I received by email from LCR.  I am posting this speech here so
you can judge for yourself what impact it might have on the whole
marriage debate.  Note that it is prefaced by a quote from Ayn Rand.

BTW, I have mixed feelings about the speech myself, but I want to give
it a more thorough reading before I say anything about it.

Rob Abiera


Speech to the Log Cabin Republicans
National Convention & Liberty Education Forum Symposium
April 30, 2011
Dallas, Texas
by Congressman Bob Barr

"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in the insidious encroachment by
men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."
– Justice Louis Brandeis

"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the
stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while
the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the
darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force."
-- Ayn Rand

"If I hear 'not allowed' much oftener," said Sam, "I'm going to get
angry."
–       J.R.R. Tolkien, "Lord of the Rings"

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for having me here today. While some
folks might express surprise that I stand here today to speak at the
Log Cabin Republicans National Convention, the common ground on which
Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, and other civil libertarians
find themselves with increasing frequency standing against government
encroachments on liberty, should surprise no one here. I am delighted
and honored to be with you, and to encourage you to continue in your
work to refresh and restore America's promise of a society in which
individual freedom is maximized, and in which the countervailing and
often heavy hand of government power is minimized.

I am here to speak with you about the most important topics of our
time in history – individual liberty and the role of government in our
lives. The marriage debate is an important element of this fundamental
debate of the 21st Century (but certainly not the only one) – have we
reached the tipping point in the balance between government power and
individual freedom, such that the former has completely overwhelmed
the latter?

As Ludwig von Mises wrote, "Government is essentially the negation of
liberty." Certainly, some degree of government is necessary to
safeguard our unalienable rights to life, liberty, and property. Any
degree of government that is more than necessary itself, intrudes on
these rights, and should (must) be opposed. This includes those laws
limiting personal choices and relationships that do not harm others.

Just how bad has it become? We lawyers learn and can cite many of the
more than 4,400 criminal laws limiting and defining behavior under
federal law. All of us likewise are familiar in our professional and
community lives with the many thousands more state and local laws and
ordinances. What many people tend to overlook, however, are the many
licensing requirements that define so many activities in our lives.

A license is a control mechanism; also a means to raise revenue. To
license is to grant permission. To license is to control. Which brings
us to the real question when discussing whether same-sex marriage
should be legal – why do individuals need the government's permission
to marry? The real issue here is not marriage – it is control. Control
– the Big C of 21st Century public policy. The important question is
whether the government has the proper authority to dictate which
individuals can enter into a binding legal agreement. The very nature
and history of government action since our nation's founding reveals
it is all about power and control. The effort to define marriage
directly or indirectly is but another of many examples of this
universal truth.

But how we frame the debate is often times as important as how we
actually fight the fight. The perspective we bring to discussion of
issues involving personal liberty will largely determine our chances
for success in such endeavors. If we define the question narrowly –
"the Second Amendment simply protects the carrying of a firearm" –
rather than as an element of a fundamental struggle between individual
liberty and government power, we make it easier for government to
succeed in its efforts to control. Defining the debate narrowly makes
it easier for government to divide and conquer, or to trivialize the
individual effort. In other words, when defending one's Second
Amendment rights against government intrusion, the question should be
framed thus: "the Second Amendment is not simply a mechanism to
protect gun owners from having their right to possess a firearm taken
away; but rather a means of protecting the fundamental liberty and
freedom that comes with being a human being in a free society."

The same applies to First Amendment freedoms. It is not simply about
being able to read a particular newspaper or attend a particular
church. Rather it is the fundamental freedom to possess and act on
one's own, private beliefs and desires; to live one's life as one
wishes. This reflects the fundamental right to privacy; the most
important of all rights as noted by Ayn Rand in her 1943 novel "The
Fountainhead." Justice Louis Brandeis concluded similarly 15 years
earlier when, in 1928, he penned a famous dissent in the Olmstead
case; in which he noted, "they [the makers of the Constitution]
conferred, as against the government, the right to be let alone – the
most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized
men."

Brandeis was right. Our Founders did understand this principle. As
James Madison noted in Federalist No. 51, it is every bit as important
that government "control itself" as it is to have government control
the governed.

Clearly, however, in recent decades we have not done a nearly adequate
job of controlling government. In fact, we have permitted the sphere
of government control to expand exponentially, with a corresponding
shrinkage of the sphere of personal liberty. In modern times, we have
done a pitiful job of using government to control government.
Government and our Constitution are now used almost exclusively to
expand, not limit, the power of government. Marriage is but one
example.

With the massive expansion of the regulatory state has come a vast
increase in the power of the government to control personal behavior
in every aspect of life; from who can marry and how one can defend
one's life or property, to what type of light bulbs illuminate our
homes and how much water can flow through our commodes. This is the
slippery slope of regulatory creep or incrementalism. A prime example
of this slippery slope of using government regulation to tighten the
noose of control and restricting liberty can be seen in how the
marriage issue has evolved throughout history. What was once a private
contract between consenting individuals is now a complex web of laws
and regulations affecting with more than 1,100 rights, duties, and
entitlements granted only with the state's permission.

Historically, marriage was considered and recognized simply as "a
civil contract to which the consent of the parties is required."
Marriage was for procreation as well as building financial, social
and, in some cases, political alliances. Marriage licenses, however,
were established to exert control and raise revenues when the state-
run Church of England decided it wanted to have a say in approving
marriage partnerships. This practice spread to the American colonies,
where both the church and states allowed marriage by publication of
"banns." A "bann" was a "public notice that was written, published or
orally announced for three consecutive meetings at the churches of the
bride and groom."

Marriage licenses themselves, however, were not issued in America
until the mid-1800s. Initially these licenses served a negative
function -- to prohibit interracial marriages. In the intervening
century and a half, such licenses have been employed to establish and
enforce myriad prohibitions and benefits. By 1929 every state had
adopted marriage license laws. One of the last refuges of individual
liberty – common-law marriage – is being rapidly destroyed. Common-law
marriage can no longer be contracted in 26 states (including in my
home state of Georgia), thus forcing individuals who want to marry to
seek and receive permission from the state.

What was once seen as a contract between two individuals, which the
state may be called upon to enforce (and which under Article I,
Section 10 of the U.S. Constitution, should be protected against
impairment by state actions!), became an institution for the state to
regulate and control; simply another way for government to dictate how
individuals may live. What was once a contract between two consenting
individuals, perhaps their God, and possibly even after the groom
obtained the father of the bride's permission, is now a mandated pact
between those individuals, their God, and the state; with the state
essentially "giving away" the bride and the groom with its grant of
permission to marry.

As libertarian David Boaz, Executive Vice-president of the CATO
Institute, has pointed out, "privatizing marriage, would,
incidentally, solve the gay-marriage problem. It would put gay
relationships on the same footing as straight ones, without implying
official government sanction. No one's private life would have the
official government sanction – which is how it should be." By getting
government out of the marriage business, or at least limiting its
involvement by bifurcating civil marriages from religious unions with
perhaps differing definitions, individuals seeking to marry would be
treated as equals in the eyes of the law, a result much more in line
with the principles and concepts of federalism, individual liberty,
and limited government powers underlying our republic.

As far as regulating is concerned, the Supreme Court has repeatedly
held that "marriage" is a fundamental right. In Loving v. Virginia,
the seminal Supreme Court decision that struck down bans on
interracial marriage, the Court stated, "marriage is one of the 'basic
civil rights of man,' fundamental to our very existence and
survival . . . " 388 U.S. 1 (1967). In Turner v. Safley, 482 U.S. 78
(1987), the Court upheld a regulation that prohibited inmates at one
prison from corresponding with those at another, but struck down
another regulation that prohibited inmates from marrying without the
permission of the warden. On the latter decision, the Court held that
prisoners have the right to marry. In Zablocki v. Redhail, 434 U.S.
374 (1978) the Court said:

"[T]he right to marry is of fundamental importance for all
individuals. It is not surprising that the decision to marry has been
placed on the same level of importance as decisions relating to
procreation, childbirth, child rearing, and family relationships. As
the facts of this case illustrate, it would make little sense to
recognize a right of privacy with respect to other matters of family
life and not with respect to the decision to enter the relationship
that is the foundation of the family in our society."

A federal law that burdens a fundamental right is – should – be deemed
in violation of the principle of equal protection. When viewed as a
fundamental personal decision on the right to associate, it clearly
falls within the ambit of the XIV Amendment's notion of "privileges or
immunities." Prohibitions against same-sex marriage violate the equal
protection clause by placing more than a burden on this right – an
outright prohibition for one group of individuals to exercise that
right legally and to have their contracts enforced by the courts.

DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act)

Like most people, my views on many such public policy and legal issues
have evolved over time, particularly after the tragic events of
September 11th when government greatly intensified the pattern of
increasing infringements of our civil liberties. Since that time, the
government has become so powerful that it has virtually limitless
ability to control people. This brave new world of virtually unlimited
government power has caused me, and many others, to reevaluate a
number of areas of government influence where we might previously have
consented to or supported government encroachment, because there
remained a robust sphere of personal liberty. Yet now, in our post-911
world in which the power of government threatens to envelop virtually
every aspect of personal freedom, we can no longer accept such
balancing.

Moreover, in the case of DOMA, the power granted in that law to the
federal government to define marriage as between a man and a woman
only, but just for purposes of federal laws, has in fact and
unfortunately, become the tail wagging the dog, and is being employed
as a hammer with which the federal government and federal officials
force states to define marriage similarly (under threat of losing
federal benefits). This hardly comports with notions of conservative
government or of federalism as understood by our Founders.

It also is – or should be considered – a fundamental and encouraged
exhibition of conservative governance, to never be afraid to
reevaluate a power once granted the government, in light of changed
circumstances and abuse in its execution.

What many so-called conservatives fail to realize also is that
defending traditional notions of morality (if consistency is to be a
component also of our political philosophy) ought to include keeping
the government as much out of our personal lives as possible and
limiting its power as much as possible. And, speaking of morality,
using the collective power of the state to do what individuals cannot
do – impose the will of one group of people on another set of people –
is truly immoral. We each were endowed by our Creator with one life
and we should be free to live it as we see fit, so long as we do not
harm another.

DON'T ASK /DON'T TELL

Speaking of getting government as much out of our personal lives as
possible, there is no intellectually honest reason for the government
to restrict people from serving in the armed forces based arbitrarily
on whether others know the details of their personal, private sexual
orientation. There is one important caveat, however, and that is, that
personal behavior or sexual orientation should not be a barrier to
military service so long as it does not interfere with the good order
and discipline of the military. Any disruption of that good order and
discipline for any reason – whether it be due to an individual's
sexual acts, acts of violence, or acts of dishonesty in any sphere, or
any other manifestation of personal behavior – should be treated as
any other disciplinary matter under the Uniform Code of Military
Justice. The decision on Don't Ask/Don't Tell should be that it be
fully rescinded and such behavior as was covered by the policy be
judged by the one objective criteria governing other activities of men
and women in uniform – only those acts adversely affecting the good
order and discipline of the military should subject an individual to
adverse action.

CONCLUSION

Until we as a nation decide to begin dismantling the regulatory state
we have allowed to be built up around us and which now controls
everything from what we can eat to how we illuminate our homes and
flush our toilets, and from who treats our illnesses to who we can
marry, then we will be doomed to live in a dystopian society. Writers
from Jeremy Bentham to Ayn Rand identified to us the dangers of taking
away man's privacy as a prerequisite to controlling him. But modern
societies appear blissfully ignorant of such warnings.

The marriage issue, if continued to be viewed as nothing more than a
tax problem or in terms of sexual preferences, will continue to serve
as a political football for those advocating for state power. Its
debate must be centered on fundamental individual liberty. You
understand this. After all, this is the clear and fundamental mission
of Log Cabin Republicans.

This is a vitally important goal -- fully consistent with the goals of
our Founders and many great leaders the GOP has fielded over the
decades; but which, sadly often are lost now in debates over minutia,
personalities and partisanship. In promoting equal treatment under the
law, the Log Cabin Republicans must not allow its adversaries to
define and pigeonhole it as only a gay rights group. It is more than
that – its fundamental mission is committed to the core values of this
country – limited government and individual liberty in all their
myriad manifestations.

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Yes but you will say something clear and provocative and then if anyone reads my blog they can argue about it

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Keith In Köln <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Bruce!
 
Uhm.....I think that might be the whole problem.....Apparently, I don't think like most Gay folks do.....I guess probably because I am not Gay.....I left the other group across the street,  it just got to the point where I am tired of fighting with a bunch of folks that I have relatively little in common with. 
 


 
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com> wrote:
Feel free to comment on my blog for politically incorrect gays


I have top confess I was at that dinner and slept through most of his speech as I had too many cocktails

So I have to read it later


On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Keith In Köln <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Bruce!
 
First, I have mixed feelings about Bob Barr, but this is interesting and thoughtful.   I want to read Barr's speech and think about it before I comment further....
 
Thanks for sharing this!  Good to see ya!
 
KeithInKöln

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com> wrote:


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: rabiera <rabiera1

Normally I would simply post a link to something like this, but there
isn't one yet & I didn't want to wait.

Some of you may be aware of the Log Cabin Republicans, who are having
their convention in Dallas.

One of the guests is Bob Barr, who gave a speech today - the text of
which I received by email from LCR.  I am posting this speech here so
you can judge for yourself what impact it might have on the whole
marriage debate.  Note that it is prefaced by a quote from Ayn Rand.

BTW, I have mixed feelings about the speech myself, but I want to give
it a more thorough reading before I say anything about it.

Rob Abiera


Speech to the Log Cabin Republicans
National Convention & Liberty Education Forum Symposium
April 30, 2011
Dallas, Texas
by Congressman Bob Barr

"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in the insidious encroachment by
men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."
– Justice Louis Brandeis

"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the
stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while
the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the
darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force."
-- Ayn Rand

"If I hear 'not allowed' much oftener," said Sam, "I'm going to get
angry."
–       J.R.R. Tolkien, "Lord of the Rings"

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for having me here today. While some
folks might express surprise that I stand here today to speak at the
Log Cabin Republicans National Convention, the common ground on which
Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, and other civil libertarians
find themselves with increasing frequency standing against government
encroachments on liberty, should surprise no one here. I am delighted
and honored to be with you, and to encourage you to continue in your
work to refresh and restore America's promise of a society in which
individual freedom is maximized, and in which the countervailing and
often heavy hand of government power is minimized.

I am here to speak with you about the most important topics of our
time in history – individual liberty and the role of government in our
lives. The marriage debate is an important element of this fundamental
debate of the 21st Century (but certainly not the only one) – have we
reached the tipping point in the balance between government power and
individual freedom, such that the former has completely overwhelmed
the latter?

As Ludwig von Mises wrote, "Government is essentially the negation of
liberty." Certainly, some degree of government is necessary to
safeguard our unalienable rights to life, liberty, and property. Any
degree of government that is more than necessary itself, intrudes on
these rights, and should (must) be opposed. This includes those laws
limiting personal choices and relationships that do not harm others.

Just how bad has it become? We lawyers learn and can cite many of the
more than 4,400 criminal laws limiting and defining behavior under
federal law. All of us likewise are familiar in our professional and
community lives with the many thousands more state and local laws and
ordinances. What many people tend to overlook, however, are the many
licensing requirements that define so many activities in our lives.

A license is a control mechanism; also a means to raise revenue. To
license is to grant permission. To license is to control. Which brings
us to the real question when discussing whether same-sex marriage
should be legal – why do individuals need the government's permission
to marry? The real issue here is not marriage – it is control. Control
– the Big C of 21st Century public policy. The important question is
whether the government has the proper authority to dictate which
individuals can enter into a binding legal agreement. The very nature
and history of government action since our nation's founding reveals
it is all about power and control. The effort to define marriage
directly or indirectly is but another of many examples of this
universal truth.

But how we frame the debate is often times as important as how we
actually fight the fight. The perspective we bring to discussion of
issues involving personal liberty will largely determine our chances
for success in such endeavors. If we define the question narrowly –
"the Second Amendment simply protects the carrying of a firearm" –
rather than as an element of a fundamental struggle between individual
liberty and government power, we make it easier for government to
succeed in its efforts to control. Defining the debate narrowly makes
it easier for government to divide and conquer, or to trivialize the
individual effort. In other words, when defending one's Second
Amendment rights against government intrusion, the question should be
framed thus: "the Second Amendment is not simply a mechanism to
protect gun owners from having their right to possess a firearm taken
away; but rather a means of protecting the fundamental liberty and
freedom that comes with being a human being in a free society."

The same applies to First Amendment freedoms. It is not simply about
being able to read a particular newspaper or attend a particular
church. Rather it is the fundamental freedom to possess and act on
one's own, private beliefs and desires; to live one's life as one
wishes. This reflects the fundamental right to privacy; the most
important of all rights as noted by Ayn Rand in her 1943 novel "The
Fountainhead." Justice Louis Brandeis concluded similarly 15 years
earlier when, in 1928, he penned a famous dissent in the Olmstead
case; in which he noted, "they [the makers of the Constitution]
conferred, as against the government, the right to be let alone – the
most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized
men."

Brandeis was right. Our Founders did understand this principle. As
James Madison noted in Federalist No. 51, it is every bit as important
that government "control itself" as it is to have government control
the governed.

Clearly, however, in recent decades we have not done a nearly adequate
job of controlling government. In fact, we have permitted the sphere
of government control to expand exponentially, with a corresponding
shrinkage of the sphere of personal liberty. In modern times, we have
done a pitiful job of using government to control government.
Government and our Constitution are now used almost exclusively to
expand, not limit, the power of government. Marriage is but one
example.

With the massive expansion of the regulatory state has come a vast
increase in the power of the government to control personal behavior
in every aspect of life; from who can marry and how one can defend
one's life or property, to what type of light bulbs illuminate our
homes and how much water can flow through our commodes. This is the
slippery slope of regulatory creep or incrementalism. A prime example
of this slippery slope of using government regulation to tighten the
noose of control and restricting liberty can be seen in how the
marriage issue has evolved throughout history. What was once a private
contract between consenting individuals is now a complex web of laws
and regulations affecting with more than 1,100 rights, duties, and
entitlements granted only with the state's permission.

Historically, marriage was considered and recognized simply as "a
civil contract to which the consent of the parties is required."
Marriage was for procreation as well as building financial, social
and, in some cases, political alliances. Marriage licenses, however,
were established to exert control and raise revenues when the state-
run Church of England decided it wanted to have a say in approving
marriage partnerships. This practice spread to the American colonies,
where both the church and states allowed marriage by publication of
"banns." A "bann" was a "public notice that was written, published or
orally announced for three consecutive meetings at the churches of the
bride and groom."

Marriage licenses themselves, however, were not issued in America
until the mid-1800s. Initially these licenses served a negative
function -- to prohibit interracial marriages. In the intervening
century and a half, such licenses have been employed to establish and
enforce myriad prohibitions and benefits. By 1929 every state had
adopted marriage license laws. One of the last refuges of individual
liberty – common-law marriage – is being rapidly destroyed. Common-law
marriage can no longer be contracted in 26 states (including in my
home state of Georgia), thus forcing individuals who want to marry to
seek and receive permission from the state.

What was once seen as a contract between two individuals, which the
state may be called upon to enforce (and which under Article I,
Section 10 of the U.S. Constitution, should be protected against
impairment by state actions!), became an institution for the state to
regulate and control; simply another way for government to dictate how
individuals may live. What was once a contract between two consenting
individuals, perhaps their God, and possibly even after the groom
obtained the father of the bride's permission, is now a mandated pact
between those individuals, their God, and the state; with the state
essentially "giving away" the bride and the groom with its grant of
permission to marry.

As libertarian David Boaz, Executive Vice-president of the CATO
Institute, has pointed out, "privatizing marriage, would,
incidentally, solve the gay-marriage problem. It would put gay
relationships on the same footing as straight ones, without implying
official government sanction. No one's private life would have the
official government sanction – which is how it should be." By getting
government out of the marriage business, or at least limiting its
involvement by bifurcating civil marriages from religious unions with
perhaps differing definitions, individuals seeking to marry would be
treated as equals in the eyes of the law, a result much more in line
with the principles and concepts of federalism, individual liberty,
and limited government powers underlying our republic.

As far as regulating is concerned, the Supreme Court has repeatedly
held that "marriage" is a fundamental right. In Loving v. Virginia,
the seminal Supreme Court decision that struck down bans on
interracial marriage, the Court stated, "marriage is one of the 'basic
civil rights of man,' fundamental to our very existence and
survival . . . " 388 U.S. 1 (1967). In Turner v. Safley, 482 U.S. 78
(1987), the Court upheld a regulation that prohibited inmates at one
prison from corresponding with those at another, but struck down
another regulation that prohibited inmates from marrying without the
permission of the warden. On the latter decision, the Court held that
prisoners have the right to marry. In Zablocki v. Redhail, 434 U.S.
374 (1978) the Court said:

"[T]he right to marry is of fundamental importance for all
individuals. It is not surprising that the decision to marry has been
placed on the same level of importance as decisions relating to
procreation, childbirth, child rearing, and family relationships. As
the facts of this case illustrate, it would make little sense to
recognize a right of privacy with respect to other matters of family
life and not with respect to the decision to enter the relationship
that is the foundation of the family in our society."

A federal law that burdens a fundamental right is – should – be deemed
in violation of the principle of equal protection. When viewed as a
fundamental personal decision on the right to associate, it clearly
falls within the ambit of the XIV Amendment's notion of "privileges or
immunities." Prohibitions against same-sex marriage violate the equal
protection clause by placing more than a burden on this right – an
outright prohibition for one group of individuals to exercise that
right legally and to have their contracts enforced by the courts.

DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act)

Like most people, my views on many such public policy and legal issues
have evolved over time, particularly after the tragic events of
September 11th when government greatly intensified the pattern of
increasing infringements of our civil liberties. Since that time, the
government has become so powerful that it has virtually limitless
ability to control people. This brave new world of virtually unlimited
government power has caused me, and many others, to reevaluate a
number of areas of government influence where we might previously have
consented to or supported government encroachment, because there
remained a robust sphere of personal liberty. Yet now, in our post-911
world in which the power of government threatens to envelop virtually
every aspect of personal freedom, we can no longer accept such
balancing.

Moreover, in the case of DOMA, the power granted in that law to the
federal government to define marriage as between a man and a woman
only, but just for purposes of federal laws, has in fact and
unfortunately, become the tail wagging the dog, and is being employed
as a hammer with which the federal government and federal officials
force states to define marriage similarly (under threat of losing
federal benefits). This hardly comports with notions of conservative
government or of federalism as understood by our Founders.

It also is – or should be considered – a fundamental and encouraged
exhibition of conservative governance, to never be afraid to
reevaluate a power once granted the government, in light of changed
circumstances and abuse in its execution.

What many so-called conservatives fail to realize also is that
defending traditional notions of morality (if consistency is to be a
component also of our political philosophy) ought to include keeping
the government as much out of our personal lives as possible and
limiting its power as much as possible. And, speaking of morality,
using the collective power of the state to do what individuals cannot
do – impose the will of one group of people on another set of people –
is truly immoral. We each were endowed by our Creator with one life
and we should be free to live it as we see fit, so long as we do not
harm another.

DON'T ASK /DON'T TELL

Speaking of getting government as much out of our personal lives as
possible, there is no intellectually honest reason for the government
to restrict people from serving in the armed forces based arbitrarily
on whether others know the details of their personal, private sexual
orientation. There is one important caveat, however, and that is, that
personal behavior or sexual orientation should not be a barrier to
military service so long as it does not interfere with the good order
and discipline of the military. Any disruption of that good order and
discipline for any reason – whether it be due to an individual's
sexual acts, acts of violence, or acts of dishonesty in any sphere, or
any other manifestation of personal behavior – should be treated as
any other disciplinary matter under the Uniform Code of Military
Justice. The decision on Don't Ask/Don't Tell should be that it be
fully rescinded and such behavior as was covered by the policy be
judged by the one objective criteria governing other activities of men
and women in uniform – only those acts adversely affecting the good
order and discipline of the military should subject an individual to
adverse action.

CONCLUSION

Until we as a nation decide to begin dismantling the regulatory state
we have allowed to be built up around us and which now controls
everything from what we can eat to how we illuminate our homes and
flush our toilets, and from who treats our illnesses to who we can
marry, then we will be doomed to live in a dystopian society. Writers
from Jeremy Bentham to Ayn Rand identified to us the dangers of taking
away man's privacy as a prerequisite to controlling him. But modern
societies appear blissfully ignorant of such warnings.

The marriage issue, if continued to be viewed as nothing more than a
tax problem or in terms of sexual preferences, will continue to serve
as a political football for those advocating for state power. Its
debate must be centered on fundamental individual liberty. You
understand this. After all, this is the clear and fundamental mission
of Log Cabin Republicans.

This is a vitally important goal -- fully consistent with the goals of
our Founders and many great leaders the GOP has fielded over the
decades; but which, sadly often are lost now in debates over minutia,
personalities and partisanship. In promoting equal treatment under the
law, the Log Cabin Republicans must not allow its adversaries to
define and pigeonhole it as only a gay rights group. It is more than
that – its fundamental mission is committed to the core values of this
country – limited government and individual liberty in all their
myriad manifestations.

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