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On May 2, 1:43 pm, Jonathan <jonathanashle...@lavabit.com> wrote:
> The issue may be a malware problem.
>
> I used to use Chrome also - much faster. I stopped using it because
> Google tracks EVERYTHING.
>
> On 05/02/2011 12:31 PM, Bear Bear wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > just a question to the group
> > I've been using Google's Chrome browser for the last few months.
> > Trouble with firefox. My preferred.
>
> > But I have noticed with Chrome I never seem to be able to open the
> > links to pajamasmedia.
> > As in this post. Looked at it on Firefox and IE and no problem.
> > everything came through.
> > The same thing has happened with the links to Bare Naked Islam and a
> > few others.
>
> > Has anyone else had this problem?
>
> > As it seems to only happen to a few sites it has me wondering if there
> > is some sort of filter the I don't know of.
>
> > Just wondering.
>
> > Bear
>
> > On 2 May 2011 14:16, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:baconl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> >     Some excellent K-DAFFY toons
>
> >     *�Funny� Anti-Gaddafi Cartoons Reveal Rebel Racism, Anti-Semitism*
>
> >     Posted By _John Rosenthal_ On May 1, 2011
>
> >     In late February, back at the outset of the eastern Libyan
> >     rebellion against the rule of Muammar al-Gaddafi, I pointed to
> >     visual evidence of anti-Semitism
> >     <http://pajamasmedia.com../blog/democracy-or-jew-hatred-the-libyan-edi...>
> >     ^[1] and/or �anti-Zionism� among the protestors who provided the
> >     initial face of the rebellion vis-�-vis the outside world.
> >     Although there were already hints, it was only somewhat later that
> >     it became generally clear that the �opposition� to Gaddafi was in
> >     fact armed. In the meanwhile, of course, the United States and
> >     some of its European allies have entered the fray on the side of
> >     the rebel forces, and American and other Western media have become
> >     firmly installed in the rebel capital of Benghazi.
>
> >     As a result we have much more visual evidence than two months ago.
> >     Numerous Western media outlets � including the /New York Times/,
> >     National Public Radio, /Foreign Policy/, and /The Telegraph/ �
> >     have indeed run features on caricatures of Muammar al-Gaddafi
> >     created by supporters of the rebellion. The caricatures have been
> >     painted directly on walls or drawn on paper and attached to them.
> >     The sub-title of an April 7 /Foreign Policy feature
> >     <http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/04/07/style_wars> ^[2]
> >     / titled �Making Fun of Qaddafi� is representative of the
> >     generally cheerful, admiring tone of the presentations in the
> >     Western media. �The rebels may not be winning,� the /Foreign
> >     Policy/ editors note, �but they�re successfully mocking Libya�s
> >     leader � Uncle Curly � with flair.�
>
> >     But a closer look at the supposedly humorous material reveals the
> >     darker side of the rebellion. Two ideological tics stand out with
> >     particular clarity. One is the same anti-Semitism or
> >     �anti-Zionism� that was evident in the first days of the
> >     rebellion. The second is anti-African racism.
>
> >     The latter is especially notable in light of the extensive video
> >     evidence
> >     <http://pajamasmedia.com../blog/mounting-evidence-of-rebel-atrocities-...>
> >     ^[3] of rebel forces and �protestors� subjecting black African
> >     prisoners to horrific abuse. The black African prisoners captured
> >     by the rebels are commonly described as �mercenaries� by both
> >     rebel authorities and Western media. It is clear, however, that
> >     many of the victims of abuse were in fact regular members of the
> >     Libyan army. Moreover, there have also been reports of black
> >     African civilians being rounded up and even slaughtered in
> >     rebel-controlled territories. (See, for instance, here
> >     <http://www.theage.com.au/world/africans-targeted-as-rebels-hunt-merce...>
> >     ^[4] and here <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12585395>
> >     ^[5] .)
>
> >     In the eyes of Gaddafi�s eastern Libyan opponents, there is
> >     evidently no greater insult than to associate Gaddafi either with
> >     Israel or sub-Saharan �black� Africa. The latter association has
> >     not only to do with the rumors about the African mercenaries. More
> >     fundamentally, it appears to reflect resentments concerning
> >     Gaddafi�s embrace of pan-Africanism. In some of the caricatures,
> >     Gaddafi is clearly depicted as himself being either a black
> >     African or a Jew.
>
> >     Consider, for instance, the much-celebrated mural from Benghazi
> >     that is shown in the below AP photo.
>
> >    http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-21.jpg
> >     <http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-21.jpg>^[6]
>
> >     According to the accompanying AP caption, the Arabic writing is �a
> >     reference to Qaddafi�s self-declared title �The King of Kings of
> >     Africa.�� In fact, the title was bestowed upon Gaddafi by a
> >     meeting of traditional African rulers, which was hosted by the
> >     Libyan government in 2008. The meeting happens to have been held
> >     in Benghazi. As the AP caption notes further, the writing on the
> >     mural replaces the title �King of Kings of Africa� with that of
> >     �Monkey of Monkeys of Africa� � a phrase that manages at once to
> >     insult Gaddafi and all the African notables that attended.
>
> >     (The fame of the mural, incidentally, is partly due to a recent
> >     /New Yorker /report, which claims that the artist was shot dead in
> >     late March immediately after completing his work. As the above
> >     photo demonstrates, however, the mural in fact already existed
> >     much earlier. The photo is dated February 23.)
>
> >     Other caricatures from Benghazi depict Gaddafi outright as a
> >     monkey and show him wearing tropical fruits wrapped in his
> >     headdress, apparently to underscore his �African-ness.� To the
> >     left below is one example, which also adds a banana in his hand
> >     for good measure.
>
> >    http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-31.jpg
> >     <http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-31.jpg>^[7]
>
> >     Here is another example. It comes from a lesser known collection,
> >     which was assembled by the Australian journalist Jason Koutsoukis
> >     and published on a blog.
>
> >    http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-4.jpg
> >     <http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-4.jpg>^[8]
>
> >     The second �monkey� represents Gaddafi�s son Saif al-Islam
> >     al-Gaddafi. Insects can be seen swarming around the two �monkeys.�
>
> >     Several of the caricatures modify Gaddafi�s physical features in
> >     order to depict him as being a black African. This is arguably the
> >     case for the portrait in the famous �monkey of monkeys of Africa�
> >     mural. But it is clearly the case for the crudely racist portrayal
> >     below.
>
> >    http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-5.jpg
> >     <http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-5.jpg>^[9]
>
> >     Note the exaggerated thick lips, mirroring the exaggerated thick
> >     lips of the smaller figure to the left, representing an African
> >     �mercenary.� Note too the transformation of Gaddafi�s frizzy hair:
> >     the source of the supposedly humorous description of him rendered
> >     as �Uncle Curly� in the /Foreign Policy/ feature. But here, as in
> >     many of the other caricatures, �Uncle Curly� is in fact sporting a
> >     full-fledged �afro.� For good measure, the afro is infested with
> >     insects.
>
> >     In the caricature in the bottom left of the below photo, Gaddafi
> >     has black skin. He also has fangs.
>
> >    http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-6.jpg
> >     <http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-6.jpg>^[10]
>
> >     In a photo-montage just below it, he appears to be wearing
> >     side-curls in the style of an orthodox Jew. Here is a somewhat
> >     closer look.
>
> >    http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/05/1-71.jpg
> >     <http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/05/1-71.jpg>^[11]
>
> >     Note too the caricature in the upper-right hand corner. Jason
> >     Koutsoukis explains
> >     <http://mikeybowers.blogspot.com/2011/03/cartooning-in-benghazi.html>
> >     ^[12] that it shows Gaddafi unleashing one of his alleged African
> >     mercenaries. Except that in the meanwhile someone has seen fit to
> >     add Stars of David on Gaddafi�s hat and robe. Here is a closer look.
>
> >    http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/05/1-82.jpg
> >     <http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/05/1-82.jpg>^[13]
>
> >     The caricaturing of Gaddafi appears to have been officially
> >     encouraged by the new authorities in Benghazi. Some of the
> >     earliest drawings on paper were reportedly posted around the
> >     so-called �media center� set-up by rebel officials for foreign
> >     journalists. (See here
> >     <http://www.globalnews.ca/story.html?id=4397250> ^[14] , for
> >     instance.)
>
> >     One might have thought that with official sponsorship and the
> >     increasing attention of the international media, the expressions
> >     of anti-Semitism and/or �anti-Zionism� would have diminished. But
> >     precisely the opposite appears to have occurred. Stars of David
> >     abound in the caricatures of Gaddafi. They are so prevalent that I
> >     can here only provide a small selection to illustrate the point.
>
> >    http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-9.jpg
> >     <http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-9.jpg>^[15]
>
> >    http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-10.jpg
> >     <http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-10.jpg>^[16]
>
> >    http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-1110.jpg
> >     <http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-1110.jpg>^[17]
>
> >     Here is an earlier mural, dating from the first week of the
> >     rebellion, but that has
>
> ...
>
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On May 1, 8:55 am, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Kindergarten cut-and-paste job.

Yeah Travis, it's cut and paste... so what you gonna do about it punk?

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On May 2, 1:38 am, Keith In Köln <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And you are obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer.....

That means a lot coming from a spoon.

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On May 2, 5:51 pm, Bear Bear <thatbear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have beliefs too.
> I believe there is good medication that could help this guy.
> Paranoia and living in constant fear is not normal.
> Get help

Some people just like being retarded and play games rather than have
anything to do with facts or truth.

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On May 2, 9:54 am, drob...@comcast.net wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Majors" <majors.br...@gmail.com>
> To: politicalforum@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, May 2, 2011 9:42:14 AM
> Subject: Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN KILLED
>
> If in fact it is Osama, he was the sacrifice because of ill health in an attempt to keep a muslim in the WH.  It's all too convenient.

Here's a typical dumbass who deny's any truth if it's connected to
Obama.

And little Keith say's nothing because the Stupid Party relies on
ignoramus buffoons.

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On May 2, 4:34 am, Keith In Köln <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Studio:  The non-partisan,  politically non-affiliated,  "I Hate Democrats
> As Much As I Hate Republicans"  kind of guy.....

Keith, Bush Jr. had his chance to kill Bin-Laden and failed miserably,
instead turning away to concentrate on Iraq.
Besides bankrupting, borrowing and leaving the country in deep debt.

I said years ago, think how the country would have been uplifted if
Jr. would have focused on Bin Laden and declared victory in Iraq after
flattening a few cities and killing Saddam and leaving.
The U.S. would have been on a high like never before, and your idiot
Prez would have been re-elected all the same.

But no, instead we got Bush Jr. on record saying "Bin-Laden isn't
important now" and "it'll be up to the next President to end these
wars",
a never ending war, anger directed towards other poor Americans,
unemployment and a depressed economy not seen since The Great
Depression.
Then what does the Stupid Party do?
They promote even worse candidates like they did some prior good.

Yes it's completely true, Democraps suck ass.... just not as much at
the moment as the buffoons calling themselves Republitards.

Good luck being the minority party for the next 40 years dumbass.

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Its grat fun to talk about how much the liberals are against Patriot,
But it passed 98 to 1!, and has been recodified thrice! by margins of
9 to 1, EVERY time, by both dem and GOP controlled Congri.

9 to 1, but we're against it.

Yea! And dems are for gay rights too!


Bwa hahahahahahaha ha ha ha hahahaha ha ha!!!!!!!!

On May 2, 2:54 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> but tomorrow they'll return to their usual diatribe
>
> During the Patriot Act debate, one of the main issues that liberals
> had was wanting to apply the US Constitution to a terrorist.  The main
> goal of the Obama Administration in closing Guantanamo Bay was to try
> to get the detainees into the US judicial system.
> Their mistaken notion that the detainees should be treated like mere
> criminals rather than terrorists has not diminished.
>
> On May 2, 11:51 am, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > They are right now
>
> > On May 2, 12:26 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > the left will never support killing terrorists
>
> > > On May 2, 10:01 am, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Ding!
>
> > > > Recall when the "world", got real pissed off when Mossad tracked down
> > > > and killed every blessed asshole that killed the Israeli wrestling
> > > > team in Munich.
>
> > > > Wanna bet we don't hear that bullshit now?
>
> > > > On May 2, 10:35 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >  trillions of dollars, to track down and eliminate a single man.
> > > > > ---
> > > > > wrong again
>
> > > > >  Although we eventually got our man, who was the real winner in this
> > > > > battle?
> > > > > ---
> > > > > Americans ... the rest of the planet now knows with certainty that if
> > > > > they attack America they will be killed
>
> > > > > In response to the events of September 11, I wrote a column entitled
> > > > > "Kill 'em and get out!"
> > > > > ----
> > > > > short mindedness much?
>
> > > > > know the enemy
>
> > > > > On May 2, 9:12 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > We Got Him -- Time to Bring the Troops HomeJustin Raimondo, May 01, 2011
> > > > > > Even before we knew the details surrounding the death of Osama bin Laden, his demise was being hailed as the "end of an era." The Global War on Terrorism, which we've been fighting for the last decade in several theaters simultaneously, has been defined in terms of catching and killing this iconic figure. Now that he's dead – with the US reportedly in possession of the body – can we declare victory and go home?
> > > > > > Of course not. You didn't think the Powers That Be would let us get off quite so easily, now did you?
> > > > > > In hisspeechto the nation, the President twice cautioned that this doesn't mean the end of the fight, and the pundits have followed through, declaring that "of course" the battle isn't over. Aside from all the chest-thumping and victorious howling rising from the crowds, and the politicians who delude them, the sudden absence of this devil figure this looming spectral threat perpetually lurking somewhere in the shadows – leaves a gaping hole in the rationale for our eternal "war on terrorism." A new devil will no doubt be found, but there aren't many credible candidates, or at least none with the penumbra of menace surrounding the founder of al-Qaeda.
> > > > > > Bin Laden's demise delivers a smashing blow to al-Qaeda – and, perhaps, a fatal one. For the succession to the leadership is now up for grabs, and this is one situation the jihadists have never had to face. Beheaded, the organization could very well be torn apart by an internal struggle, with various factions vying to claim the al-Qaeda franchise.
> > > > > > Even as we hear the familiar chants of "USA! USA!" and the talking heads on television assure us that this is the proof that we're still No. 1, the political implications of this event do not bode well for the War Party.
> > > > > > A war-weary American public is preoccupied with issues of internal decline, and is no longer so easily frightened. The idea that we have to keep fighting in Afghanistan to destroy a leaderless and demoralized organization is not going to resonate. Al-Qaeda faces not only the death of its leader and founder, but the discovery of a massive organizational headquarters, no doubt filled with intelligence about the terrorist network, in effect has sounded al-Qaeda's death knell. Sure, they may launch new attacks in an effort to show they're still a force to be contended with, but these amount to the death rattle of the organization, as it splinters and falls to pieces.
> > > > > > What's interesting is that the compound where bin Laden was hiding wasn't in Waziristan, the "tribal" wildlands of Pakistan, but rather in Abbottabad, which is being described as an affluent suburb of Islamabad, the Pakistani capital. Although the President credited the Pakistanis with providing the initial tip that led to bin Laden's death in a raid by US Special Forces, the fact that Abbottabad is known as a military town, the prime base of the Pakistan security forces – and that bin Laden was hiding in their very midst – is bound to cause friction between the two countries. The logical question is: how could the Pakistanisnothave known? After all, the compound where bin Laden had taken refuge wasn't exactly unobtrusive: eight times bigger than any structure in the area, and surround by extraordinary security – a high wall topped with barbed wire, no doubt manned by guards – it would have been hard to miss.
> > > > > > All that aside, however, the death of al-Qaeda's founder, the author and chief perpetrator of the worst terrorist attack in US history, marks the end of what was, essentially, a war of vengeance. With bin Laden gone, the target of our rage is gone, and the desire for revenge sated. Our leaders are already telling us that this is no time to relax our efforts, but the missing  emotional charge of invoking the terrorist leader's name will let much of the air out of War Party's tires.
> > > > > > As a war-weary nation confronts the fact of its own bankruptcy, and faces internal problems the severity of which can no longer be denied, a war they told us was going to be "generational" at the very least is coming to an end – without anything really to show for it except the dead body of a single man, which we will now display to the world in a primitive demonstration of American power.
> > > > > > If the death of bin Laden can be counted a "victory" in the war on terrorism, then surely it is a Pyrrhic one. For all the chauvinistic posturing and the President's invocation of the vaunted "unity" that supposedly blessed us in the wake of 9/11, the costs of pursuing and killing the terrorist leader have been dear. Bin Laden, in one of his messages, once boasted that he would bankrupt America, and indeed his prophecy is in the process of coming true. In response to 9/11, we launched two major wars and several less obtrusive military operations, rampaging through the Middle East and reaching deeply into Central Asia. It took us ten years, and trillions of dollars, to track down and eliminate a single man. Although we eventually got our man, who was the real winner in this battle?
> > > > > > In response to the events of September 11, I wrote a column entitled "Kill 'em and get out!"Well, now we've killed him -- and it's time to bring the troops home, now.http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2011/05/01/we-got-him-times-to-bring-the-...-
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I have beliefs too. 
I believe there is good medication that could help this guy. 
Paranoia and living in constant fear is not normal. 
Get help

Bear


On 2 May 2011 17:39, Jonathan <jonathanashleyII@lavabit.com> wrote:
**THE BIN LADEN STORY IS SUSPECT**

**Carl F. Worden**

**May 2, 2011**

**I was only 14 years of age when John F. Kennedy was assassinated, and as gullibly trusting of our government as any American was at the time.  That changed a few days later when my parents and I were on our way home from church and it was announced that Lee Harvey Oswald, the alleged lone assassin, had himself been assassinated under the most unlikely of circumstances.  It was literally at that moment that I realized our government had lied to us --- but I didn't know why.**

**Just five years later I would find myself in the unique position of being able to investigate the Kennedy/Oswald mystery myself, and I came away convinced even more that our government did lie to us, would lie to us again and would probably use the same strategy and tactics as worked in the past.**

**I was right.**

**Let's look back on another highly suspect case, the bombing of the Federal Murrah Building in Oklahoma City.  The bomb goes off, and with luck that can only be described as the same magical luck by which Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested, the prime OKC suspect gets picked out of heavy traffic far away from the scene, the cop sees a concealed Glock on driver Tim McVeigh, and the rest is the history we are all being told to believe is real.**

**A relatively short time before Benazir Bhutto was assassinated, she was interviewed by the BBC, and in that interview you can watch yourself at **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg **you will see and hear Ms. Bhutto matter-of-factly state that Osama bin Laden had been murdered -- and she even named his killer!  The BBC interviewer didn't pay so much as a never-mind to her comments --- as if he himself accepted them at face value.**

**Yesterday, May 1, 2011, will always remain in my memory --- not because bin Laden was finally killed --- but because it was a classic repeat of the M.O. used in almost every similar case.**

**Think about it:  It is Sunday evening, and the feds know that Sunday evening is the very best time to plant a story because most Americans are home, preparing to face another work week, and the largest percentage of Americans watch TV on Sunday evening.  The White House staff announced a major, National Security statement by President Obama, who delayed his statement by a full hour while network talking heads scrambled to find anything at all to talk about while being made to wait.  If you want most Americans glued to the TV, tell them a huge announcement is about to be made regarding national security, then make them wait for it.  In the meantime, those waiting Americans are calling friends & family to alert them to the pending announcement, and that means you've got the highest possible distribution of information to the public as is possible.**

**Here's where I find the story most interesting:  When President Obama finally made his statement about how Seal Team 6 had located bin Laden and had killed him in a firefight, the president took no questions.  In fact, the whole announcement looked canned, like it was a taped concoction that had been very carefully prepared and left nothing to chance --- like reporter questions.  Further, all the major news sources reported Americans rejoicing in the streets of Washington DC over bin Laden's death, but where did they find all those white folks?  If you pay attention, the crowd of celebrants were all white in a city that is overwhelmingly poor and black.  Kinda fast response time, weren't it?  We had just been given the news of bin Laden's death when all those white people appeared to be rejoicing in the street?  On a Sunday night?  Can you spell, B..U..L..L..S..H..I..T???**

**Oh, and to be expected, in order to comply with Muslim Tradition, bin Laden's body had to be buried within 24 hours, so he had to be buried at sea and nobody can tell us where.  So we have a limited number of actual witnesses who are very easy to control (Seal Team 6), we have no body to verify it is/was bin Laden, and we have only the government's version to believe because that is all they are giving us.**

**And they wonder how conspiracy theories get started?**

**Carl F. Worden**

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**THE BIN LADEN STORY IS SUSPECT**

**Carl F. Worden**

**May 2, 2011**

**I was only 14 years of age when John F. Kennedy was assassinated, and
as gullibly trusting of our government as any American was at the time.
That changed a few days later when my parents and I were on our way home
from church and it was announced that Lee Harvey Oswald, the alleged
lone assassin, had himself been assassinated under the most unlikely of
circumstances. It was literally at that moment that I realized our
government had lied to us --- but I didn't know why.**

**Just five years later I would find myself in the unique position of
being able to investigate the Kennedy/Oswald mystery myself, and I came
away convinced even more that our government did lie to us, would lie to
us again and would probably use the same strategy and tactics as worked
in the past.**

**I was right.**

**Let's look back on another highly suspect case, the bombing of the
Federal Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. The bomb goes off, and with
luck that can only be described as the same magical luck by which Lee
Harvey Oswald was arrested, the prime OKC suspect gets picked out of
heavy traffic far away from the scene, the cop sees a concealed Glock
on driver Tim McVeigh, and the rest is the history we are all being told
to believe is real.**

**A relatively short time before Benazir Bhutto was assassinated, she
was interviewed by the BBC, and in that interview you can watch yourself
at **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg **you will see and hear
Ms. Bhutto matter-of-factly state that Osama bin Laden had been murdered
-- and she even named his killer! The BBC interviewer didn't pay so
much as a never-mind to her comments --- as if he himself accepted them
at face value.**

**Yesterday, May 1, 2011, will always remain in my memory --- not
because bin Laden was finally killed --- but because it was a classic
repeat of the M.O. used in almost every similar case.**

**Think about it: It is Sunday evening, and the feds know that Sunday
evening is the very best time to plant a story because most Americans
are home, preparing to face another work week, and the largest
percentage of Americans watch TV on Sunday evening. The White House
staff announced a major, National Security statement by President Obama,
who delayed his statement by a full hour while network talking heads
scrambled to find anything at all to talk about while being made to
wait. If you want most Americans glued to the TV, tell them a huge
announcement is about to be made regarding national security, then make
them wait for it. In the meantime, those waiting Americans are calling
friends & family to alert them to the pending announcement, and that
means you've got the highest possible distribution of information to the
public as is possible.**

**Here's where I find the story most interesting: When President Obama
finally made his statement about how Seal Team 6 had located bin Laden
and had killed him in a firefight, the president took no questions. In
fact, the whole announcement looked canned, like it was a taped
concoction that had been very carefully prepared and left nothing to
chance --- like reporter questions. Further, all the major news sources
reported Americans rejoicing in the streets of Washington DC over bin
Laden's death, but where did they find all those white folks? If you
pay attention, the crowd of celebrants were all white in a city that is
overwhelmingly poor and black. Kinda fast response time, weren't it?
We had just been given the news of bin Laden's death when all those
white people appeared to be rejoicing in the street? On a Sunday
night? Can you spell, B..U..L..L..S..H..I..T???**

**Oh, and to be expected, in order to comply with Muslim Tradition, bin
Laden's body had to be buried within 24 hours, so he had to be buried at
sea and nobody can tell us where. So we have a limited number of actual
witnesses who are very easy to control (Seal Team 6), we have no body to
verify it is/was bin Laden, and we have only the government's version to
believe because that is all they are giving us.**

**And they wonder how conspiracy theories get started?**

**Carl F. Worden**

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Quote from: speedy on Today at 04:49:11 PM
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REPOSTED!!!!~ Let's be clear on this: OBAMA did NOT kill Bin Laden. An
American soldier, who Obama just a few weeks ago was debating on whether
or not to PAY, did. Obama just happened to be the one in office when our
soldiers finally found OBL and took him out. This is NOT an Obama
victory, but an AMERICAN victory!! REPOST IF Y

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Original Story
http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=18055

Released today:
http://presstv.com/detail/177810.html

Other story from April 13th
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/557/477/BIN_LADEN_-



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The issue may be a malware problem.

I used to use Chrome also - much faster. I stopped using it because Google tracks EVERYTHING.

On 05/02/2011 12:31 PM, Bear Bear wrote:
just a question to the group
I've been using Google's Chrome browser for the last few months. Trouble with firefox. My preferred. 

But I have noticed with Chrome I never seem to be able to open the links to pajamasmedia. 
As in this post. Looked at it on Firefox and IE and no problem. everything came through. 
The same thing has happened with the links to Bare Naked Islam and a few others. 

Has anyone else had this problem?

As it seems to only happen to a few sites it has me wondering if there is some sort of filter the I don't know of. 

Just wondering. 

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On 2 May 2011 14:16, Travis <baconlard@gmail.com> wrote:

Some excellent K-DAFFY toons 

 

'Funny' Anti-Gaddafi Cartoons Reveal Rebel Racism, Anti-Semitism

Posted By John Rosenthal On May 1, 2011

In late February, back at the outset of the eastern Libyan rebellion against the rule of Muammar al-Gaddafi, I pointed to visual evidence of anti-Semitism [1] and/or "anti-Zionism" among the protestors who provided the initial face of the rebellion vis-à-vis the outside world. Although there were already hints, it was only somewhat later that it became generally clear that the "opposition" to Gaddafi was in fact armed. In the meanwhile, of course, the United States and some of its European allies have entered the fray on the side of the rebel forces, and American and other Western media have become firmly installed in the rebel capital of Benghazi.

As a result we have much more visual evidence than two months ago. Numerous Western media outlets — including the New York Times, National Public Radio, Foreign Policy, and The Telegraph — have indeed run features on caricatures of Muammar al-Gaddafi created by supporters of the rebellion. The caricatures have been painted directly on walls or drawn on paper and attached to them. The sub-title of an April 7 Foreign Policy feature [2] titled "Making Fun of Qaddafi" is representative of the generally cheerful, admiring tone of the presentations in the Western media. "The rebels may not be winning," the Foreign Policy editors note, "but they're successfully mocking Libya's leader — Uncle Curly — with flair."

But a closer look at the supposedly humorous material reveals the darker side of the rebellion. Two ideological tics stand out with particular clarity. One is the same anti-Semitism or "anti-Zionism" that was evident in the first days of the rebellion. The second is anti-African racism.

The latter is especially notable in light of the extensive video evidence [3] of rebel forces and "protestors" subjecting black African prisoners to horrific abuse. The black African prisoners captured by the rebels are commonly described as "mercenaries" by both rebel authorities and Western media. It is clear, however, that many of the victims of abuse were in fact regular members of the Libyan army. Moreover, there have also been reports of black African civilians being rounded up and even slaughtered in rebel-controlled territories. (See, for instance, here [4] and here [5].)

In the eyes of Gaddafi's eastern Libyan opponents, there is evidently no greater insult than to associate Gaddafi either with Israel or sub-Saharan "black" Africa. The latter association has not only to do with the rumors about the African mercenaries. More fundamentally, it appears to reflect resentments concerning Gaddafi's embrace of pan-Africanism. In some of the caricatures, Gaddafi is clearly depicted as himself being either a black African or a Jew.

Consider, for instance, the much-celebrated mural from Benghazi that is shown in the below AP photo.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-21.jpg[6]

According to the accompanying AP caption, the Arabic writing is "a reference to Qaddafi's self-declared title 'The King of Kings of Africa.'" In fact, the title was bestowed upon Gaddafi by a meeting of traditional African rulers, which was hosted by the Libyan government in 2008. The meeting happens to have been held in Benghazi. As the AP caption notes further, the writing on the mural replaces the title "King of Kings of Africa" with that of "Monkey of Monkeys of Africa" — a phrase that manages at once to insult Gaddafi and all the African notables that attended.

(The fame of the mural, incidentally, is partly due to a recent New Yorker report, which claims that the artist was shot dead in late March immediately after completing his work. As the above photo demonstrates, however, the mural in fact already existed much earlier. The photo is dated February 23.)

Other caricatures from Benghazi depict Gaddafi outright as a monkey and show him wearing tropical fruits wrapped in his headdress, apparently to underscore his "African-ness." To the left below is one example, which also adds a banana in his hand for good measure.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-31.jpg[7]

Here is another example. It comes from a lesser known collection, which was assembled by the Australian journalist Jason Koutsoukis and published on a blog.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-4.jpg[8]

The second "monkey" represents Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam al-Gaddafi. Insects can be seen swarming around the two "monkeys."

Several of the caricatures modify Gaddafi's physical features in order to depict him as being a black African. This is arguably the case for the portrait in the famous "monkey of monkeys of Africa" mural. But it is clearly the case for the crudely racist portrayal below.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-5.jpg[9]

Note the exaggerated thick lips, mirroring the exaggerated thick lips of the smaller figure to the left, representing an African "mercenary." Note too the transformation of Gaddafi's frizzy hair: the source of the supposedly humorous description of him rendered as "Uncle Curly" in the Foreign Policy feature. But here, as in many of the other caricatures, "Uncle Curly" is in fact sporting a full-fledged "afro." For good measure, the afro is infested with insects.

In the caricature in the bottom left of the below photo, Gaddafi has black skin. He also has fangs.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-6.jpg[10]

In a photo-montage just below it, he appears to be wearing side-curls in the style of an orthodox Jew. Here is a somewhat closer look.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/05/1-71.jpg[11]

Note too the caricature in the upper-right hand corner. Jason Koutsoukis explains [12] that it shows Gaddafi unleashing one of his alleged African mercenaries. Except that in the meanwhile someone has seen fit to add Stars of David on Gaddafi's hat and robe. Here is a closer look.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/05/1-82.jpg[13]

The caricaturing of Gaddafi appears to have been officially encouraged by the new authorities in Benghazi. Some of the earliest drawings on paper were reportedly posted around the so-called "media center" set-up by rebel officials for foreign journalists. (See here [14], for instance.)

One might have thought that with official sponsorship and the increasing attention of the international media, the expressions of anti-Semitism and/or "anti-Zionism" would have diminished. But precisely the opposite appears to have occurred. Stars of David abound in the caricatures of Gaddafi. They are so prevalent that I can here only provide a small selection to illustrate the point.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-9.jpg[15]

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-10.jpg[16]

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-1110.jpg[17]

Here is an earlier mural, dating from the first week of the rebellion, but that has typically been shown in photos that render the Star of David difficult to see.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-124.jpg[18]

Note too the dollars: a less frequent but also regular motif in the caricatures.

The presence of the Stars of David in the caricatures has rarely provoked comment in the traditional media, let alone any effort at explanation. In the blog post [12] containing his photos, Jason Koutsoukis notes, "There is a widely held perception in Libya that Gaddafi is the son of Jewish parents and is a secret ally of The State of Israel." Despite the massive presence of Western journalists in Benghazi, few others appear willing to broach, much less investigate the subject.

Moreover, just as eastern Libyan cartoonists have resorted to racist stereotypes in caricaturing Gaddafi, so too have they employed anti-Semitic ones. Here is an example in which Gaddafi is depicted as an orthodox Jew.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-131.jpg[19]

It is taken from the collection published by National Public Radio. According to the accompanying blurb [20], the NPR correspondent spotted the cartoons near "the old courthouse in Benghazi, now the Information Ministry, where journalists come for their press credentials."

Sometimes the racist and anti-Semitic motifs are combined. This last picture, for instance, can be regarded as a sort of racist/anti-Semitic "tour de force." It shows a vampire Gaddafi with a Star of David emblazoned on his robe accompanied by an African tribesman with horns.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-141.jpg[21]

Note too that the tribesman and Gaddafi sport nearly identical afros, thus again underscoring the "African-ness" of Gaddafi in the eyes of his opponents.


Article printed from Pajamas Media: http://pajamasmedia.com

URL to article: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/funny-anti-gaddafi-cartoons-reveal-rebel-racism-anti-semitism/

URLs in this post:

[1] visual evidence of anti-Semitism: http://pajamasmedia.com../../../../../blog/democracy-or-jew-hatred-the-libyan-edition/

[2] Foreign Policy feature: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/04/07/style_wars

[3] the extensive video evidence: http://pajamasmedia.com../../../../../blog/mounting-evidence-of-rebel-atrocities-in-libya/

[4] here: http://www.theage.com.au/world/africans-targeted-as-rebels-hunt-mercenaries-20110305-1bivv.html

[5] here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12585395

[6] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-21.jpg

[7] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-31.jpg

[8] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-4.jpg

[9] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-5.jpg

[10] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-6.jpg

[11] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/05/1-71.jpg

[12] explains: http://mikeybowers.blogspot.com/2011/03/cartooning-in-benghazi.html

[13] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/05/1-82.jpg

[14] here: http://www.globalnews.ca/story.html?id=4397250

[15] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-9.jpg

[16] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-10.jpg

[17] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-1110.jpg

[18] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-124.jpg

[19] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-131.jpg

[20] the accompanying blurb: http://www.npr.org/blogs/pictureshow/2011/04/17/135435354/gadhafi-graffiti-in-libya?ft=1&f=1009

[21] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-141.jpg

 


 


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As in this post. Looked at it on Firefox and IE and no problem. everything came through. 
The same thing has happened with the links to Bare Naked Islam and a few others. 

Has anyone else had this problem?

As it seems to only happen to a few sites it has me wondering if there is some sort of filter the I don't know of. 

Just wondering. 

Bear




On 2 May 2011 14:16, Travis <baconlard@gmail.com> wrote:

Some excellent K-DAFFY toons 

 

'Funny' Anti-Gaddafi Cartoons Reveal Rebel Racism, Anti-Semitism

Posted By John Rosenthal On May 1, 2011

In late February, back at the outset of the eastern Libyan rebellion against the rule of Muammar al-Gaddafi, I pointed to visual evidence of anti-Semitism [1] and/or "anti-Zionism" among the protestors who provided the initial face of the rebellion vis-à-vis the outside world. Although there were already hints, it was only somewhat later that it became generally clear that the "opposition" to Gaddafi was in fact armed. In the meanwhile, of course, the United States and some of its European allies have entered the fray on the side of the rebel forces, and American and other Western media have become firmly installed in the rebel capital of Benghazi.

As a result we have much more visual evidence than two months ago. Numerous Western media outlets — including the New York Times, National Public Radio, Foreign Policy, and The Telegraph — have indeed run features on caricatures of Muammar al-Gaddafi created by supporters of the rebellion. The caricatures have been painted directly on walls or drawn on paper and attached to them. The sub-title of an April 7 Foreign Policy feature [2] titled "Making Fun of Qaddafi" is representative of the generally cheerful, admiring tone of the presentations in the Western media. "The rebels may not be winning," the Foreign Policy editors note, "but they're successfully mocking Libya's leader — Uncle Curly — with flair."

But a closer look at the supposedly humorous material reveals the darker side of the rebellion. Two ideological tics stand out with particular clarity. One is the same anti-Semitism or "anti-Zionism" that was evident in the first days of the rebellion. The second is anti-African racism.

The latter is especially notable in light of the extensive video evidence [3] of rebel forces and "protestors" subjecting black African prisoners to horrific abuse. The black African prisoners captured by the rebels are commonly described as "mercenaries" by both rebel authorities and Western media. It is clear, however, that many of the victims of abuse were in fact regular members of the Libyan army. Moreover, there have also been reports of black African civilians being rounded up and even slaughtered in rebel-controlled territories. (See, for instance, here [4] and here [5].)

In the eyes of Gaddafi's eastern Libyan opponents, there is evidently no greater insult than to associate Gaddafi either with Israel or sub-Saharan "black" Africa. The latter association has not only to do with the rumors about the African mercenaries. More fundamentally, it appears to reflect resentments concerning Gaddafi's embrace of pan-Africanism. In some of the caricatures, Gaddafi is clearly depicted as himself being either a black African or a Jew.

Consider, for instance, the much-celebrated mural from Benghazi that is shown in the below AP photo.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-21.jpg[6]

According to the accompanying AP caption, the Arabic writing is "a reference to Qaddafi's self-declared title 'The King of Kings of Africa.'" In fact, the title was bestowed upon Gaddafi by a meeting of traditional African rulers, which was hosted by the Libyan government in 2008. The meeting happens to have been held in Benghazi. As the AP caption notes further, the writing on the mural replaces the title "King of Kings of Africa" with that of "Monkey of Monkeys of Africa" — a phrase that manages at once to insult Gaddafi and all the African notables that attended.

(The fame of the mural, incidentally, is partly due to a recent New Yorker report, which claims that the artist was shot dead in late March immediately after completing his work. As the above photo demonstrates, however, the mural in fact already existed much earlier. The photo is dated February 23.)

Other caricatures from Benghazi depict Gaddafi outright as a monkey and show him wearing tropical fruits wrapped in his headdress, apparently to underscore his "African-ness." To the left below is one example, which also adds a banana in his hand for good measure.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-31.jpg[7]

Here is another example. It comes from a lesser known collection, which was assembled by the Australian journalist Jason Koutsoukis and published on a blog.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-4.jpg[8]

The second "monkey" represents Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam al-Gaddafi. Insects can be seen swarming around the two "monkeys."

Several of the caricatures modify Gaddafi's physical features in order to depict him as being a black African. This is arguably the case for the portrait in the famous "monkey of monkeys of Africa" mural. But it is clearly the case for the crudely racist portrayal below.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-5.jpg[9]

Note the exaggerated thick lips, mirroring the exaggerated thick lips of the smaller figure to the left, representing an African "mercenary." Note too the transformation of Gaddafi's frizzy hair: the source of the supposedly humorous description of him rendered as "Uncle Curly" in the Foreign Policy feature. But here, as in many of the other caricatures, "Uncle Curly" is in fact sporting a full-fledged "afro." For good measure, the afro is infested with insects.

In the caricature in the bottom left of the below photo, Gaddafi has black skin. He also has fangs.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-6.jpg[10]

In a photo-montage just below it, he appears to be wearing side-curls in the style of an orthodox Jew. Here is a somewhat closer look.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/05/1-71.jpg[11]

Note too the caricature in the upper-right hand corner. Jason Koutsoukis explains [12] that it shows Gaddafi unleashing one of his alleged African mercenaries. Except that in the meanwhile someone has seen fit to add Stars of David on Gaddafi's hat and robe. Here is a closer look.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/05/1-82.jpg[13]

The caricaturing of Gaddafi appears to have been officially encouraged by the new authorities in Benghazi. Some of the earliest drawings on paper were reportedly posted around the so-called "media center" set-up by rebel officials for foreign journalists. (See here [14], for instance.)

One might have thought that with official sponsorship and the increasing attention of the international media, the expressions of anti-Semitism and/or "anti-Zionism" would have diminished. But precisely the opposite appears to have occurred. Stars of David abound in the caricatures of Gaddafi. They are so prevalent that I can here only provide a small selection to illustrate the point.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-9.jpg[15]

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-10.jpg[16]

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-1110.jpg[17]

Here is an earlier mural, dating from the first week of the rebellion, but that has typically been shown in photos that render the Star of David difficult to see.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-124.jpg[18]

Note too the dollars: a less frequent but also regular motif in the caricatures.

The presence of the Stars of David in the caricatures has rarely provoked comment in the traditional media, let alone any effort at explanation. In the blog post [12] containing his photos, Jason Koutsoukis notes, "There is a widely held perception in Libya that Gaddafi is the son of Jewish parents and is a secret ally of The State of Israel." Despite the massive presence of Western journalists in Benghazi, few others appear willing to broach, much less investigate the subject.

Moreover, just as eastern Libyan cartoonists have resorted to racist stereotypes in caricaturing Gaddafi, so too have they employed anti-Semitic ones. Here is an example in which Gaddafi is depicted as an orthodox Jew.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-131.jpg[19]

It is taken from the collection published by National Public Radio. According to the accompanying blurb [20], the NPR correspondent spotted the cartoons near "the old courthouse in Benghazi, now the Information Ministry, where journalists come for their press credentials."

Sometimes the racist and anti-Semitic motifs are combined. This last picture, for instance, can be regarded as a sort of racist/anti-Semitic "tour de force." It shows a vampire Gaddafi with a Star of David emblazoned on his robe accompanied by an African tribesman with horns.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-141.jpg[21]

Note too that the tribesman and Gaddafi sport nearly identical afros, thus again underscoring the "African-ness" of Gaddafi in the eyes of his opponents.


Article printed from Pajamas Media: http://pajamasmedia.com

URL to article: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/funny-anti-gaddafi-cartoons-reveal-rebel-racism-anti-semitism/

URLs in this post:

[1] visual evidence of anti-Semitism: http://pajamasmedia.com../../../../../blog/democracy-or-jew-hatred-the-libyan-edition/

[2] Foreign Policy feature: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/04/07/style_wars

[3] the extensive video evidence: http://pajamasmedia.com../../../../../blog/mounting-evidence-of-rebel-atrocities-in-libya/

[4] here: http://www.theage.com.au/world/africans-targeted-as-rebels-hunt-mercenaries-20110305-1bivv.html

[5] here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12585395

[6] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-21.jpg

[7] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-31.jpg

[8] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-4.jpg

[9] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-5.jpg

[10] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-6.jpg

[11] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/05/1-71.jpg

[12] explains: http://mikeybowers.blogspot.com/2011/03/cartooning-in-benghazi.html

[13] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/05/1-82.jpg

[14] here: http://www.globalnews.ca/story.html?id=4397250

[15] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-9.jpg

[16] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-10.jpg

[17] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-1110.jpg

[18] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-124.jpg

[19] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-131.jpg

[20] the accompanying blurb: http://www.npr.org/blogs/pictureshow/2011/04/17/135435354/gadhafi-graffiti-in-libya?ft=1&f=1009

[21] Image: http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/04/1-141.jpg

 


 


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