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Linda Kelly's Inferno
by William L. Anderson

By now, anyone who even barely follows the news is familiar with the conflagration that has engulfed Penn State University and its now-disgraced legendary coach Joe Paterno, who has won more football games than any other college coach in history and did it at just one university. After Paterno's former defensive coordinator, Jerry Sandusky, was arrested for allegedly sexually assaulting boys who were involved in Sandusky's organization, The Second Mile, which works with boys who had "troubled" pasts, the fallout has resulted in Paterno being unceremoniously thrown out of his job, Penn State's president fired, and the university's athletic director and a vice president indicted.

What I am about to say is that this wildfire was not necessary; this entire thing could have been handled with much less destruction and this is the result of Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly's irresponsible actions and statements. I'll repeat: Linda Kelly has almost single-handedly taken a bad situation and turned it into tragedy.

Before I explain my point, I will inform readers that I do not endorse the predatory sexual behavior in which Sandusky allegedly has engaged. (This is to fend off the inevitable "You support child molesters!" emails that I am sure to receive.) Nonetheless, I also support the right of someone to a fair trial, and Kelly's irresponsible and, frankly, selfish, actions not only have destroyed lives at Penn State, but they also have effectively guaranteed that no jury from this side of Outer Mongolia even could begin to hear Sandusky's case without damning pre-trial prejudice. Furthermore, it is guaranteed that Kelly's escalating of this issue will result in future laws and policies that will result in innocent people being falsely accused and convicted of terrible things that never will have happened.

The other thing that Kelly has done has to take a story and help turn it into a "narrative," and journalists around the country have jumped on this, not caring if the "narrative" even is true. If it sounds like what happened in the infamous Duke Lacrosse Case, that is because we are seeing something very similar occurring.

At Duke, the "narrative" was "rich, young white boys think they can beat and rape a black woman and get away with it." Even when the facts of the case immediately contradicted the media "narrative," nonetheless American journalists continued to run with it – until they ran into a wall. (The irresponsible and dishonest behavior of the Duke Administration and faculty, along with misconduct by Durham police and prosecutors, never seemed to make it to the newsprint, as journalists expressing their righteous anger could not be bothered by actual misconduct that was occurring right in front of them.)

The Penn State "narrative" is "Joe Paterno let Jerry Sandusky sexually assault boys so that Paterno's Penn State football program would not have its reputation damaged." The parallel "narrative" is that the "good old boys were protecting each other." Yet, we have no idea if either "narrative" is true. We don't know, and that is why there should be real-live investigations, as opposed to inflammatory statements from officials that journalists dutifully copy as though they were Official Stenographers of the State.

Obviously, the one difference is that the Pennsylvania authorities seem to have a much stronger case against Sandusky than did North Carolina prosecutor Michael Nifong, who had no case at all and had to lie in order to gain indictments. That being said, however, the firestorm at Penn State is about an alleged incident in 2002 involving Sandusky and an unidentified boy.

Michael McQueary, then a graduate assistant coach on the football team and now a paid assistant, allegedly saw Sandusky sexually assaulting a boy in a gym shower at Penn State. McQueary supposedly told Paterno what he saw, and Paterno then told PSU Athletic Director Tim Curly and Curly then told university Vice-President Gary Schultz, who then allegedly relayed the incident to PSU President Graham Spanier. No one in that chain told police or child protective officials.

Despite the fact that it was known for many years that authorities had been investigating Sandusky for his alleged behavior with boys, the narrative – and much of the case – centers around the alleged shower incident that McQueary claimed to have seen. In fact, Kelly got indictments against Curly and Schultz for not reporting the alleged incident to police (and she says she might indict Spanier), and then got further indictments against them for perjury, as she claims they lied to the grand jury.

As I see it, this is where Kelly not only has gone off the tracks, but also has acted destructively. According to Pennsylvania law, neither Curly nor Schultz are what the law calls "first responders," people who are required to report any claim or alleged incident of child abuse or neglect. For example, as a college professor, if any of my students even make an offhand claim about being abused, I must report that claim to the police, or I can be charged with a crime myself.

Curly and Schultz, however, did not fit into this legal category. Furthermore, according to the law under which they were indicted, the statute of limitations had passed. To make things even more complicated, the alleged victim in this incident is not even an accuser and no one knows who he is, nor has he "come forward," despite pleas from Kelly's office.

Thus, what Kelly did was to secure indictments against people who did not break the law and even if they did, knowing that the statute of limitations had passed. To make things worse, she made inflammatory comments about them in a press release, declaring:

Those officials, to whom it was reported, did not report the incident to law enforcement or any child protective agency, and their inaction likely allowed a child predator to continue to victimize children for many more years.

From my own reading of the Rules of Conduct for Pennsylvania attorneys, this violates Rule 3.8(e), which states:

...except for statements that are necessary to inform the public of the nature and extent of the prosecutor's action and that serve a legitimate law enforcement purpose, refrain from making extrajudicial comments that have a substantial likelihood of heightening public condemnation of the accused and exercise reasonable care to prevent investigators, law enforcement personnel, employees or other persons assisting or associated with the prosecutor in a criminal case from making an extrajudicial statement that the prosecutor would be prohibited from making under Rule 3.6 or this Rule.

Moreoever, Rule 3.8(a) states that prosecutors shall:

refrain from prosecuting a charge that the prosecutor knows is not supported by probable cause;

I believe it is safe to say that a prosecutor that knowingly charges someone with a crime even though the law does not cover their positions, and that the statute of limitations has passed, has violated that rule, and the punishment for that violation could be disbarment. That action combined with the inflammatory public statements she made about the defendants (while knowing that the indictments against them were legally questionable at best) certainly reflect reckless and illegal behavior on behalf of Pennsylvania's top law enforcement officer.

To make things worse, because this particular alleged incident has produced no person who has come forward to claim he was the "victim," we are dealing with a phantom crime. Yes, the incident very well might have occurred, and I don't think that McQueary had any reason to lie. Nonetheless, I don't believe that Kelly can claim that these men forsook their legal duties to report a crime when, in fact, she has no proof that a crime was committed other than what McQueary has said.

This hardly is legal hairsplitting. If there is no crime victim in this situation, there is no crime (even if we believe that the events McQueary described actually happened), and unless a credible person shows up who can prove his whereabouts that night in 2002, Kelly cannot charge Sandusky with that alleged assault.

Yet, it is this very incident, with subsequent indictments, that has created the worst firestorm at Penn State. Until Kelly decided to escalate the situation, the police were quietly investigating Sandusky, not seeking major publicity in the process. This was what police should have been doing, and at the end of their investigation, if they believed they had enough evidence, they could have arrested Sandusky and charged him with the assaults for which young men who say they were Sandusky's victims have claimed he committed.

Sandusky would have been arrested, and while I have no doubts that there would have been further investigations at Penn State, I also believe that if investigators believed that Paterno had looked the other way, he could have been permitted to retire at the end of this season without the show of force from the PSU board of trustees.

Instead, we are treated to an awful show of riots, public accusations, and a situation in which it now is impossible for clear heads to prevail. I believe that this did not have to be the result, yet because Kelly wanted to ramp up the heat, she has sowed the wind, and what follows is the inevitable whirlwind.

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technology and froze the assets of key individuals and companies
related to the program.United Nations Security Council Resolution 1747
- passed on 24 March 2007. Imposed an arms embargo and expanded the
freeze on Iranian assets.United Nations Security Council Resolution
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upon states to monitor the activities of Iranian banks, inspect
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involved with the program through their territory.United Nations
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member states to Iran and Iranian-owned companies.[edit]National
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and an almost total economic embargo on Iran, which includes sanctions
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in the Iranian oil and gas sector, relationships with Iranian banks,
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Foreign Minister to issue a permit to carry out a specified prohibited
activity or transaction.[2]Australia has imposed financial sanctions
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and missile programs or assist Iran in violating sanctions, and an
arms embargo.[3]South Korea imposed sanctions on 126 Iranian
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asset freezes against individuals and entities involved with Iran's
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materials, equipment, goods, and technology that could contribute to
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travel to Iran under a law banning ties with enemy states.[8] Israel
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sanctions.[10][edit]Effects
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international arms embargo against Iran is slowly reducing Iran's
military capabilities, largely due to its dependence on Russian and
Chinese military assistance. The only substitute is to find
compensatory measures requiring more time and money, and less
effective.[11][12] According to at least one analyst (Fareed Zakaria),
the market for imports in Iran is dominated by state enterprises and
regime-friendly enterprises, because the way to get around the
sanctions is smuggling, and smuggling requires strong connections with
the regime. This has weakened Iranian civil society and strengthen the
state.[13][edit]
On Nov 11, 6:38 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What is it that you think our Nation is doing that interferes with Iran,
> internally or externally?
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:50 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >  is the problem solely fear
> > based??
> > ----
> > good observation
>
> > those who live in fear will go to extremes to feel safe
>
> > On Nov 11, 11:02 am, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Lets see..... a foreign naval vessel in international waters.... I do not
> > > see the problem.
>
> > > Tell me....EXACTLY.... what is the problem?? Or is the problem solely
> > fear
> > > based??
>
> > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
>
> > > > *Iranian Navy to Patrol off U.S. Coast, What!?
> > > > *
> > > > Read more:
> > > >http://defensetech.org/2011/09/28/iranian-navy-to-patrol-off-u-s-coas.
> > ..
> > > > Defense.org
>
> > > > "No word on what type of ships Iran will send to establish this
> > "powerful
> > > > force." Keep in mind, that this light frigate<
> >http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/jamaranmowjclassmult/>known as
> > the Jamaran, is one of Iran's most modern and powerful ships. It
> > > > carries four Noor class anti-ship missiles with a range of about
> > 125-miles
> > > > along with four SM-1 anti-aircraft missiles, light torpedoes and a 76
> > mm
> > > > gun. Not exactly an Aegis destroyer."
>
> > > > Read more:
> > > >http://defensetech.org/2011/09/28/iranian-navy-to-patrol-off-u-s-coas.
> > ..
> > > > Defense.org
>
> > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 9:32 AM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <
> > markmka...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > >> whoop-di-whoop!!!!!! Keith....  Irans capability is 1250 miles. No
> > > >> more of a threat to the US than one that flies 10 miles or 90 miles.
> > > >> According to British sources (much more reliable than US sources now
> > > >> that the Blair Gov. is gone) they have stopped trying to increase
> > > >> distance as Israel is well within range now.
>
> > > >> The problem is that to have a massive capability (nuke) Iran has
> > > >> realized that hitting Israel will kill/affect more Moslims/Arab
> > > >> nations than Jews and so have the other Moslim nations in the area.
> > > >> the inverse is not true.
>
> > > >> On Nov 10, 7:46 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > You better read up on Iran's capabilities Sarge.....You sound like a
> > > >> > Moonbat this week.
>
> > > >> > (Good to see ya by the way!)
>
> > > >> > KeithInTampa
>
> > > >> > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:40 AM, SgtUSMC <devildawg...@gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> > > Yea, well, Iraq was going to attack us with Scuds that only had a
> > 90
> > > >> > > mile range. Some people are clueless.
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Hey MJ,

Didn't we just have this ridiculous conversation?

Explain the difference between "the people" and "all people", please.

Again, I recommend strongly a reading comprehension class.

You may also try reading and understanding some "Victorian" novels in
their original format to gain a better understanding of the "English"
Language used at the time.

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On Nov 11, 9:36 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good Evening Michael!
>
> Let me ask you a couple of questions if I may:
>
> Who do you think the term, "ourselves and our posterity"  refer to?
>
> I agree with you, that the term, "The People"  sounds all
> encompassing....So, would the First Amendment, Second Amendment, Third
> Amendment, Fourth Amendment, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh and Eight Amendments,
> all of which reference  "[t]he People"  (or are non-specific)  apply to
> say,  folks in China, or Iran?
>
> Would the Twelfth Amendment apply to individuals who are immigrants, but
> have arrived here in the United States legally?  Would it apply to those
> individuals who are illegal immigrants?
>
> Why is it that citizens or "residents" of Puerto Rico, although by law
> being United States citizens, are not as a constitutional matter protected
> by the full Bill of Rights?
>
> I think we both agree that it is fundamental that the Constitution defines
> and limits our federal government. Yet does the Constitution constrain the
> exercise of ourfederal government's power abroad? Do United States
> Constitutional Protections apply to Afghanis, who by yours and probably
> better said PlainOl's definitions,  are victims of our "interventionist"
> policies,  and by example, what I mean to say, is does the Constitution
> constrain our federal government and our occupational forces in Afghanistan?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 7:51 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> > *"Note that the Constitution expressly protects the rights ofpersons, not
> > just those of American citizens."
> > *
> > =======
>
> > No, it doesn't.  That is the major flaw with many far left individuals'
> > thinking.
>
> > ROTFLMAO!
> > The Constitution protects People from Government -- their rights as well.
>
> > Never see:
>
> >    - A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime,
> >    who ...
> >    - No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the ...
> >    - ,,, the right of the people to keep and ...
> >    - ... without the consent of the Owner, nor in ...
> >    - The right of the people to be secure ...
> >    - No person shall be held to answer for a ...
> >    - In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall ,,,
> >    - The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be
> >    construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
> >    - The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution,
> >    nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States
> >    respectively, or to the people.
>
> > Who do you imagine these PEOPLE might be? Before you absurdly make a fool
> > of yourself with 'citizen' ,,, why did they not use THAT term in those
> > instances when they did in others?
>
> > Regard$,
> > --MJ
>
> > "The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to impose
> > decisions on others without paying any price themselves. That enables them
> > to act as if there were no price, even when there are ruinous prices paid
> > by others" -- Thomas Sowell.
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Let me ask you a couple of questions if I may:
 
Who do you think the term, "ourselves and our posterity"  refer to?

Really? One of the GOALS sought by instituting and following the Constitution somehow means something else? Really?

 
I agree with you, that the term, "The People"  sounds all encompassing....So, would the First Amendment, Second Amendment, Third Amendment, Fourth Amendment, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh and Eight Amendments, all of which reference  "[t]he People"  (or are non-specific)  apply to say,  folks in China, or Iran? 

AGAIN, People refers to ANYONE the Government created by the Constitution is 'interacting' within its jurisdiction.
OBVIOUSLY the US Government has no power, authority nor jurisdiction in the sovereign Nations of China or Iran. If, however, someone from China were in the US, THEY would be part of the People who could not have their right to keep and bear arms infringed.


 
Would the Twelfth Amendment apply to individuals who are immigrants, but have arrived here in the United States legally?  Would it apply to those individuals who are illegal immigrants?

Some of Amendment 12 has been modified/eliminated by subsequent Amendment.
In AIIS1C2, the State Legislatures are provided the power to choose Electors in whatever manner they desire. If they seek to choose immigrants (with or without permission), that is their prerogative.
Exactly WHICH portion/reference are you attempting to identify?

 
Why is it that citizens or "residents" of Puerto Rico, although by law being United States citizens, are not as a constitutional matter protected by the full Bill of Rights?

If Peurto Rico is a US Territory -- which it is -- then the Constitution applies. That it might NOT is part and parcel to the myriad of unconstitutional efforts perpetrated with impunity.

 
I think we both agree that it is fundamental that the Constitution defines and limits our federal government. Yet does the Constitution constrain the exercise of ourfederal government's power abroad? Do United States Constitutional Protections apply to Afghanis, who by yours and probably better said PlainOl's definitions,  are victims of our "interventionist"  policies,  and by example, what I mean to say, is does the Constitution constrain our federal government and our occupational forces in Afghanistan?

Afghanistan, of course, is a sovereign nation. The US Government has no (legitimate) jurisdiction, power or authority in Afghanistan. In fact, as the Constitution is concerned the war and our occupation is outside the Constitution.


Regard$,
--MJ

"Until such time as the Constitution is faithfully followed, there is no reason to believe that any amendment passed at an Article V constitutional convention would not be ignored, misinterpreted, and violated as badly as existing clauses to justify the federal government's unrepentant encroachment into the lives of Americans and into the sovereignty of the states." -- Joe Wolverton






 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 7:51 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:

"Note that the Constitution expressly protects the rights ofpersons, not just those of American citizens."
 
=======
 
No, it doesn't.  That is the major flaw with many far left individuals' thinking. 

ROTFLMAO!
The Constitution protects People from Government -- their rights as well.

Never see:
A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who ...
No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the ...
,,, the right of the people to keep and ...
... without the consent of the Owner, nor in ...
The right of the people to be secure ...
No person shall be held to answer for a ...
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall ,,,
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Who do you imagine these PEOPLE might be? Before you absurdly make a fool of yourself with 'citizen' ,,, why did they not use THAT term in those instances when they did in others?

Regard$,
--MJ

"The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves. That enables them to act as if there were no price, even when there are ruinous prices paid by others" -- Thomas Sowell.


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Good Evening Michael!
 
Let me ask you a couple of questions if I may:
 
Who do you think the term, "ourselves and our posterity"  refer to?
 
I agree with you, that the term, "The People"  sounds all encompassing....So, would the First Amendment, Second Amendment, Third Amendment, Fourth Amendment, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh and Eight Amendments, all of which reference  "[t]he People"  (or are non-specific)  apply to say,  folks in China, or Iran? 
 
Would the Twelfth Amendment apply to individuals who are immigrants, but have arrived here in the United States legally?  Would it apply to those individuals who are illegal immigrants?
 
Why is it that citizens or "residents" of Puerto Rico, although by law being United States citizens, are not as a constitutional matter protected by the full Bill of Rights?
 
I think we both agree that it is fundamental that the Constitution defines and limits our federal government. Yet does the Constitution constrain the exercise of ourfederal government's power abroad? Do United States Constitutional Protections apply to Afghanis, who by yours and probably better said PlainOl's definitions,  are victims of our "interventionist"  policies,  and by example, what I mean to say, is does the Constitution constrain our federal government and our occupational forces in Afghanistan?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 7:51 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:

"Note that the Constitution expressly protects the rights ofpersons, not just those of American citizens."
 
=======
 
No, it doesn't.  That is the major flaw with many far left individuals' thinking. 

ROTFLMAO!
The Constitution protects People from Government -- their rights as well.

Never see:
  • A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who ...
  • No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the ...
  • ,,, the right of the people to keep and ...
  • ... without the consent of the Owner, nor in ...
  • The right of the people to be secure ...
  • No person shall be held to answer for a ...
  • In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall ,,,
  • The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
  • The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Who do you imagine these PEOPLE might be? Before you absurdly make a fool of yourself with 'citizen' ,,, why did they not use THAT term in those instances when they did in others?

Regard$,
--MJ

"The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves. That enables them to act as if there were no price, even when there are ruinous prices paid by others" -- Thomas Sowell.


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Veterans Day: Thanks but No Thanks
by Tim Kelly, November 11, 2011

Veterans Day honors those citizens who fought in the U.S. government's wars -- wars supposedly waged to preserve Americans' liberty. Most Americans uncritically accept this last part, and believe they owe the U.S. military a debt of gratitude for their freedom and independence.

This belief is so widely held that it has become a tenet of the country's civic faith. However, it is just that -- an article of faith -- for there is scant evidence in history to support it. The unpleasant truth is that Americans have been continually led into unnecessary wars -- wars that have actually infringed on American freedom and prosperity -- by generations of duplicitous and megalomaniacal politicians.

This truth may be difficult to accept, especially for veterans who understandably want to believe their military service has been for a noble purpose. Nevertheless, concern for their feelings should not override the truth.

War entails confiscatory taxation, crushing debt, inflation, government management of the economy, regimentation, and infringements of civil liberties. War is big government on steroids.

James Madison, the fourth president of the United States, who is often called the father of the Constitution, pointed out:

Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other.
War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honours, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people.

Has not Madison been vindicated by the American experience over the last century? Since 1898, there has been a stupendous growth in the size and scope of the federal government, and this expansion of state power has been largely a consequence of war. America's wars have led to such accretions of executive power that the U.S. president now behaves like a Caesar: imprisoning, torturing, waging war when he pleases, and even killing people without so much as a habeas corpus hearing.

Now, many will take issue with my interpretation of American history. They may also point out that our modern world is much more complex and menacing than the one James Madison inhabited, and therefore his admonition, however eloquent, is now obsolete. After all, the U.S. government can't have a horse-and-buggy foreign policy in the age of the ICBM.

But the fact that a few governments have at their disposal weapons that could wipe out civilization in an afternoon doesn't necessarily mean the U.S. government must have an interventionist foreign policy. If anything, the existence of nuclear arsenals is an argument for extreme caution and restraint.


The American Empire and World War I

America's ruling elite made a conscious decision to pursue an overseas empire by expanding into the Pacific via war with Spain (1898) and intervening in Europe via the Great War (1917).

Of course, their imperial ambitions were masked behind humanitarian rhetoric of peace, freedom, and democracy. But, ironically, wartime mobilization resulted in gross violations of civil liberties at home; the U.S. government imposed military conscription and imprisoned individuals for merely speaking out against WWI. In the final analysis, Woodrow Wilson proved to be a much greater threat to Americans' liberty than the Kaiser.

And what did the sacrifice of 117,000 American lives in World War I accomplish? U.S. intervention had disastrous long-term consequences, as it ultimately led to the rise of National Socialism in Germany and Bolshevism in Russia. Revisionist historian Jim Powell explains,

Preoccupied with his good intentions, Wilson never seemed to have considered the possibility that intervening in Europe might do worse than fail to achieve peace. Because of historic resentments and staggering battlefield casualties, there was a lot of bitterness in Europe. Governments were nearly bankrupt, and people were hungry. They wanted vengeance for their suffering. The political situation was explosive. If one side were able to achieve a decisive victory, the temptation would be strong to seek retribution. So, Wilson intervened, enabled the Allied Powers to achieve a decisive victory, and the result was the vindictive Versailles Treaty with devastating political consequences that played out in Germany and around the world.
Apparently thinking only about what he wanted, Wilson pressured and bribed the Russian Provisional Government to stay in the war, when he ought to have known that country had been falling apart ever since it entered the war in 1914. Wilson ought to have known that millions of Russian peasants weren't going to be affected much one way or the other by what happened on the Western Front, the only thing that Wilson cared about. He ought to have known that Russian peasants were deserting the Russian Army by the thousands, to go home and claim land, and soon there wouldn't be any army to defend the Provisional Government. If Wilson didn't know these things, he didn't have any business trying to play an international war game. Wilson's blunders made it easier for Lenin to seize power on his fourth attempt in 1917, leading to more than seven decades of Soviet communism.

World War II

Millions of America's young men were sent overseas to war after Japan's raid on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, and Germany's declaration of war four days later. Those belligerent acts had come only after repeated warlike provocations by the United States. Had there been an honest man in the White House who genuinely desired peace, rather than the mendacious and bellicose Franklin D. Roosevelt, it is very possible that war with Japan and Germany would have been avoided.

Japan's ambitions in Asia in no way threatened American liberties, and the same could be said of Germany's ambitions in Europe. Despite FDR's lurid and absurd claims of Hitler's desire for global conquest, Germany had neither the intention nor the capability to mount an attack on North America. It is important to remember that from the American perspective the Second World War was fought "over there," and that the U.S. military in combating the Axis Powers was not defending the liberty of the American people.

The domestic consequences of "the Good War" were baleful. Vast new powers were concentrated in Washington, and the last remnants of federalism were crushed under the march to war. Just like in 1917, the U.S. economy was nationalized in the interest of wartime mobilization. FDR imposed military conscription and tight press censorship. His utter contempt for the Constitution was best illustrated by his executive order to incarcerate Japanese-Americans for the duration of the war, a shameful edict that aroused little opposition in Congress and was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Although the United States and its allies claimed victory in 1945, the war exacted an enormous material toll. Europe and much of Asia lay in ruins, with the butcher's bill exceeding 50 million lives, mostly civilians.


The Cold War

WWII also ushered in the age of nuclear weapons and created an adversary far more menacing than Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan ever were. The Cold War against the USSR continued the flow of tax dollars into the enlarged military establishment, and it was used as a pretext to create clandestine intelligence agencies, thus raising the specter of secret government in America.

Despite the various domino theories that cold warriors used to justify U.S. military intervention in Korea and Vietnam, these wars had nothing to do with America's security or the freedom of the American people. They were essentially civil wars precipitated by artificial divisions drawn by outside powers, namely the United States. Furthermore, North Korea and North Vietnam were distant, impoverished, and war-ravaged nations with no capacity to attack or invade the United States.


Conclusion

Most Americans have been beguiled by the official propaganda, and they accept the simpleminded notion that America's wars have been waged to keep them safe and defend their freedoms, when the opposite is closer to the truth.

Eighty years ago, U.S. Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler, lamenting his career, said,

I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

Butler expanded on his thoughts in "War Is A Racket," a book describing how the U.S. military is often used, not to defend the country, but to advance the narrow interests of the political and financial elite. Although his book was concerned primarily with America's entry into World War I, the general's conclusions could be applied to all American wars of the past century.

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Would not bother me in the least if it was fatal to every one of those shitheads.

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Occupiers Have a Condition: "Zuccotti Lung"

by Scotty Starnes

First it was an outbreak of head and body lice. Then it was tuberculosis. Now it's "occupier lung."

Filthy hippies.

NBC New York reports:

With wintry weather poised to swoop into the cramped outdoor quarters of Occupy Wall Streetprotesters, it may not be long before more campers catch what's being called "Zuccotti lung."

That's what demonstrators have dubbed the sickness that seems to be spreading among them at an unpleasantly high rate these days: "It's a real thing," Willie Carey, 28, told the New York Times.

With little sleep in cold conditions, cigarettes and drinks being passed from mouth to mouth, and few opportunities to wash hands, Zuccotti Park may now just be the best place to catch respiratory viruses, norovirus (also known as the winter vomiting virus) and tuberculosis, according to one doctor.

Occupy Atlanta filth already have tuberculosis.

The damp clothing and cardboard signs wet with rain are also breeding grounds for mold. Some protesters are urinating in bottles and leaving food trash discarded throughout the campground, providing further opportunities for nastiness.

These are the same hypocrites who claim to love the earth as they pollute it and their surroundings. They are the PEE Party.

"Pretty much everything here is a good way to get sick," Salvatore Cipolla, 23, from Long Island, told the Times. "It'll definitely thin the herd."

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SEIU Goonion Outrage

by Dave

Unions suck. They just do. And with the possible exception of the AFL-CIO, ths suckiest one of them all is the Service Employees International Union, or SEIU.

Warning: If you suffer from high blood pressure, you might want to skip this.

Via washingtonexaminer.com (emphasis mine):

SEIU siphons 'dues' from Mich. Medicaid payments

by Joel Gehrke Commentary Staff Writer

If you're a parent who accepts Medicaid payments from the State of Michigan to help support your mentally-disabled adult children, you qualify as a state employee for the purposes of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU). They can now claim and receive a portion of your Medicaid in the form of union dues.

Robert and Patricia Haynes live in Michigan with their two adult children, who have cerebral palsy. The state government provides the family with insurance through Medicaid, but also treats them as caregivers. For the SEIU, this makes them public employees and thus members of the union, which receives $30 out of the family's monthly Medicaid subsidy. The Michigan Quality Community Care Council (MQC3) deducts union dues on behalf of SEIU.

Michigan Department of Community Health Director Olga Dazzo explained the process in to her members of her staff. "MQC3 basically runs the program for SEIU and passes the union dues from the state to the union," she wrote in an email obtained by the Mackinac Center. Initiated in 2006 under then-Gov. Jennifer Granholm, D-Mich., the plan reportedly provides the SEIU with $6 million annually in union dues deducted from those Medicaid subsidies.

"We're not even home health care workers. We're just parents taking care of our kids," Robert Haynes, a retired Detroit police officer, told the Mackinac Center for Public Policy. "Our daughter is 34 and our son is 30. They have cerebral palsy. They are basically like 6-month-olds in adult bodies. They need to be fed and they wear diapers. We could sure use that $30 a month that's being sent to the union."

-You will find the rest of the article at this link.

Little wonder the State of Michigan is swirling in the bottom of the loo.

-Dave 

(h/t: boortz.com)

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"Note that the Constitution expressly protects the rights ofpersons, not just those of American citizens."
 
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No, it doesn't.  That is the major flaw with many far left individuals' thinking. 

ROTFLMAO!
The Constitution protects People from Government -- their rights as well.

Never see:
  • A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who ...
  • No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the ...
  • ,,, the right of the people to keep and ...
  • ... without the consent of the Owner, nor in ...
  • The right of the people to be secure ...
  • No person shall be held to answer for a ...
  • In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall ,,,
  • The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
  • The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Who do you imagine these PEOPLE might be? Before you absurdly make a fool of yourself with 'citizen' ,,, why did they not use THAT term in those instances when they did in others?

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"Note that the Constitution expressly protects the rights ofpersons, not just those of American citizens."

 
 
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No, it doesn't.  That is the major flaw with many far left individuals' thinking. 
 
 
 
 
 
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:18 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:

What Immigration Problem?
by Sheldon Richman, November 11, 2011

Arizona, Alabama, and Georgia have each enacted stringent laws aimed at curbing illegal immigration. Before saying more, let's be clear about the alleged problem. What is an "illegal immigrant"? It's simply a person ­ possessing natural rights, mind you ­ who comes to the United States without the permission of the U.S. government. Now isn't it curious that in this country, which began in rebellion against and secession from an empire, people are upset about other people moving around without government permission? In revolutionary times the smuggler of goods was a hero, and the customs agent was a villain. If we were true to the best parts of our heritage today the "illegal" would be a hero, and the border agent would be a villain.

This shows how far we have slipped from America's substantially libertarian origins. This is really quite sad.

Imagine if we Americans needed government permission to move from state to state. We'd be appalled at the hassle, not to mention the grave interference with our freedom. Would we put up with it? I hope not.

Then what is the justification for having an elaborate, presumptuous, tax-financed bureaucracy whose purpose is to determine who may live in this country? Rights belong to all human beings, not just to Americans. Note that the Constitution expressly protects the rights of persons, not just those of American citizens.

But, we are told, a country is not a country without secure borders. Why? This premise goes unexamined.

A country is defined by its traditions and attitudes rather than by its border checkpoints and armed guards. It is disheartening to hear people claim to believe that America is not synonymous with government and yet favor harsh measures to "secure our border" and stop free migration.

All the economic arguments for stemming the flow of immigrants fall when examined even casually. The nativists can't quite get their story straight. Are the newcomers ambitious go-getters trying to "take our jobs," or are they freeloaders planning to collect welfare? Those who are afraid of the former fail to understand that people not only produce when they hold jobs, but also consume. Newcomers expand the market and the division of labor, which Adam Smith taught us is the path to higher living standards. Some opponents of immigration bring up the current high unemployment as an objection. But that is purely a government-produced phenomenon, and it has nothing to do with immigrants. Seriously, scapegoating does not become us.

As for any government-financed services that immigrants might use, let's not forget that they also pay a good deal in taxes. There's no reason to think they are a net drain on the welfare state.

But that is really beside the point. If we don't want people living off the taxpayers ­ and this should apply to American citizens as well ­ we should transfer welfare services to private charity and the free market. There is no good reason for government ­ the essence of which is physical force ­ to be running schools and hospitals, which are the tax-financed facilities most likely to be used by immigrants. I really see no moral difference between a citizen and a noncitizen taking advantage of a government program. The most objectionable aspect of government largess is not who accepts it but how the politicians obtain the resources that they then distribute. Taxation is robbery.

Finally, there is a good deal of worry on the Right these days that immigration is making "white America" a thing of the past. Those who hold this view say earlier immigration presented little concern because most newcomers were European and could assimilate into American culture. But this is selective memory in the first degree: virtually every group from Europe was at one time spoken of in the same degrading and alarmist terms as are today's Latino and Muslim immigrants. In fact, as Thaddeus Russell documents in his fascinating book, A Renegade History of the United States, almost every European immigrant group ­ including Italians, Irishmen, Poles, and Jews ­ were initially not considered to be white! As a result, many of the new immigrants felt close to blacks and African-American culture. Only with the passage of time were they admitted into the ranks of the white race by the establishment.

The more things change, the more things stay the same.

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What is it that you think our Nation is doing that interferes with Iran, internally or externally?
 


 
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:50 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:
 is the problem solely fear
based??
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good observation

those who live in fear will go to extremes to feel safe

On Nov 11, 11:02 am, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lets see..... a foreign naval vessel in international waters.... I do not
> see the problem.
>
> Tell me....EXACTLY.... what is the problem?? Or is the problem solely fear
> based??
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > *Iranian Navy to Patrol off U.S. Coast, What!?
> > *
> > Read more:
> >http://defensetech.org/2011/09/28/iranian-navy-to-patrol-off-u-s-coas...
> > Defense.org
>
> > "No word on what type of ships Iran will send to establish this "powerful
> > force." Keep in mind, that this light frigate<http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/jamaranmowjclassmult/>known as the Jamaran, is one of Iran's most modern and powerful ships. It
> > carries four Noor class anti-ship missiles with a range of about 125-miles
> > along with four SM-1 anti-aircraft missiles, light torpedoes and a 76 mm
> > gun. Not exactly an Aegis destroyer."
>
> > Read more:
> >http://defensetech.org/2011/09/28/iranian-navy-to-patrol-off-u-s-coas...
> > Defense.org
>
> > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 9:32 AM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> whoop-di-whoop!!!!!! Keith....  Irans capability is 1250 miles. No
> >> more of a threat to the US than one that flies 10 miles or 90 miles.
> >> According to British sources (much more reliable than US sources now
> >> that the Blair Gov. is gone) they have stopped trying to increase
> >> distance as Israel is well within range now.
>
> >> The problem is that to have a massive capability (nuke) Iran has
> >> realized that hitting Israel will kill/affect more Moslims/Arab
> >> nations than Jews and so have the other Moslim nations in the area.
> >> the inverse is not true.
>
> >> On Nov 10, 7:46 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > You better read up on Iran's capabilities Sarge.....You sound like a
> >> > Moonbat this week.
>
> >> > (Good to see ya by the way!)
>
> >> > KeithInTampa
>
> >> > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:40 AM, SgtUSMC <devildawg...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > > Yea, well, Iraq was going to attack us with Scuds that only had a 90
> >> > > mile range. Some people are clueless.
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November 11, 2011

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