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Geesh, the attacks are getting more and more desperate! 
 
No big deal!  It was expected!   Our next President Gingrich has some mighty big shoulders!  Thankfully, he is exactly what America needs right now!
 
Newt 2012
 


 
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 4:57 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:

Murray Sabrin
If this doesn't sink Newt, then GOP voters have a death wish. Newt is a big government supporter, because that's where the big bucks are for individuals who want to live off the public ...

Odd defenses of Newt's corporate-welfare lobbying
by Timothy P. Carney Senior Political Columnist

Newt Gingrich leveraged his connections in Congress and his reputation as a firebrand conservative into wealth by selling these connections and reputations to big businesses seeking to get rich off of big government. My column today touches on three such cases -- ethanol subsidies, housing subsidies, and expanding Medicare to include drug subsidies.

Almost none of the critical emails, tweets, or comments today have defended the policies themselves (and there are some non-liberal defenses of these policies). The critiques of my column have mostly taken two forms:

1) Quit picking on a conservative! We all need to stand together!

2) Newt's work as a consultant for subsidy-sucklers was just free enterprise. Don't knock it.


Quit picking on a conservative:

Here's one representative comment: "Mr. Carney is making the Perfect the enemy of the good. I challenge him to name the perfect conservative candidate! This looks like a circular firing squad!"

My colleague Dave Freddoso wrote about this line of argument in his column this week:
Our commentary section's conservative lean apparently gives some conservative readers the impression that we're here primarily to help somebody get elected. That we should be overlooking problems in the GOP field for the greater good.
Dave picks that apart better than I can, but let me just say that I do not think conservative journalists should be "team players," and I think conservatism is harmed when anyone on the Right sacrifices principles for personalities.


Newt's just a businessman

This argument actually upsets me more. Here's a representative comment: "Well, Well, Well, are we to believe that the Speaker did not have a right to earn a living?"

I got much of the same response when I criticized Wal-Mart for lobbying for price-controls on debit-card purchases. It's an odd argument for a free-market type to make. If you believe it's wrong for government to take from taxpayers and give to ADM, Pfizer, and Wells Fargo, why is it fine for a lobbyist -- or whatever Gingrich wants us to call him -- to help pass the law allowing government to take from taxpayers and give to these special interests?

Among some capitalist-minded folks, there's an add amorality to profit -- any legal profit is morally acceptable profit. But that mindset undermines the argument for capitalism in the first place.

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/odd-defenses-newts-corporate-welfare-lobbying


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On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Stew Webb <stewwebb@stewwebb.com> wrote:
TEAPARTY GOP using Echelon Software to Spy on Americans NSA Bribing
Media
http://www.stewwebb.com/GOP_using_Echelon_software_to_spy_on_Americans_Nsa_bribing_media.htm

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travis ocw is news because somebody wants it to be.the left. they failed to keep the fringe element out watch how they disavow.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Travis <baconlard@gmail.com> wrote:


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BREAKING => Obama's SEIU Brown Shirts Are Attempting To Co-Opt The Occupy Movement For their March Against The Republican Congress!

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TEAPARTY GOP using Echelon Software to Spy on Americans NSA Bribing
Media
http://www.stewwebb.com/GOP_using_Echelon_software_to_spy_on_Americans_Nsa_bribing_media.htm

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Occupy Wall Street Suggestion from Whistleblower Stew Webb
Demands of Government
http://www.stewwebb.com/Occupy_Wall_Street_Suggestion_from_Federal_Whistleblower_Stew_Webb_11182011.htm
http://www.stewwebb.com/Occupy_the_American_Revolution_Continues_in_2011.htm

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Breaking News Sat Nov 19, 2011: JP Morgan Gate Escalates
http://www.stewwebb.com/JP_Morgan_Gate_Escalates 11192011.htm

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Murray Sabrin
If this doesn't sink Newt, then GOP voters have a death wish. Newt is a big government supporter, because that's where the big bucks are for individuals who want to live off the public ...

Odd defenses of Newt's corporate-welfare lobbying
by Timothy P. Carney Senior Political Columnist

Newt Gingrich leveraged his connections in Congress and his reputation as a firebrand conservative into wealth by selling these connections and reputations to big businesses seeking to get rich off of big government. My column today touches on three such cases -- ethanol subsidies, housing subsidies, and expanding Medicare to include drug subsidies.

Almost none of the critical emails, tweets, or comments today have defended the policies themselves (and there are some non-liberal defenses of these policies). The critiques of my column have mostly taken two forms:

1) Quit picking on a conservative! We all need to stand together!

2) Newt's work as a consultant for subsidy-sucklers was just free enterprise. Don't knock it.


Quit picking on a conservative:

Here's one representative comment: "Mr. Carney is making the Perfect the enemy of the good. I challenge him to name the perfect conservative candidate! This looks like a circular firing squad!"

My colleague Dave Freddoso wrote about this line of argument in his column this week:
Our commentary section's conservative lean apparently gives some conservative readers the impression that we're here primarily to help somebody get elected. That we should be overlooking problems in the GOP field for the greater good.
Dave picks that apart better than I can, but let me just say that I do not think conservative journalists should be "team players," and I think conservatism is harmed when anyone on the Right sacrifices principles for personalities.


Newt's just a businessman

This argument actually upsets me more. Here's a representative comment: "Well, Well, Well, are we to believe that the Speaker did not have a right to earn a living?"

I got much of the same response when I criticized Wal-Mart for lobbying for price-controls on debit-card purchases. It's an odd argument for a free-market type to make. If you believe it's wrong for government to take from taxpayers and give to ADM, Pfizer, and Wells Fargo, why is it fine for a lobbyist -- or whatever Gingrich wants us to call him -- to help pass the law allowing government to take from taxpayers and give to these special interests?

Among some capitalist-minded folks, there's an add amorality to profit -- any legal profit is morally acceptable profit. But that mindset undermines the argument for capitalism in the first place.

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/odd-defenses-newts-corporate-welfare-lobbying


No surprise at all. The TPers I know (one VERY well), have always
been for Paul

On Nov 19, 1:48 pm, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> The answer may surprise you. Click here to find out:http://news.yahoo.com/why-tea-party-voters-returning-ron-paul-0018004...

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Who are the Tea Partiers voting for?

The answer may surprise you. Click here to find out:
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From: Lee Mentley
Date: Saturday, November 19, 2011
Subject: [NewAmericanDemocrats] DC Lobbying Firm Plans to Undermine #OWS
To: Lee Mentley <leementley@sbcglobal.net>


 

FYI
 
"Specific races listed in the memo are U.S. Senate races in Florida, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Wisconsin, Ohio, New Mexico and Nevada as well as the gubernatorial race in North Carolina."
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Exclusive: Lobbying Firm's Memo Spells Out Plan to Undermine Occupy Wall Street

Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:53 AM EST
by Jonathan Larsen
(crossposted from MSNBC's "Open Channel" blog)
A well-known Washington lobbying firm with links to the financial industry has proposed an $850,000 plan to take on Occupy Wall Street and politicians who might express sympathy for the protests, according to a memo obtained by the MSNBC program "Up w/ Chris Hayes."
The proposal was written on the letterhead of the lobbying firm Clark Lytle Geduldig & Cranford and addressed to one of CLGC's clients, the American Bankers Association.
CLGC's memo proposes that the ABA pay CLGC $850,000 to conduct "opposition research" on Occupy Wall Street in order to construct "negative narratives" about the protests and allied politicians. The memo also asserts that Democratic victories in 2012 would be detrimental for Wall Street and targets specific races in which it says Wall Street would benefit by electing Republicans instead.
According to the memo, if Democrats embrace OWS, "This would mean more than just short-term political discomfort for Wall Street. … It has the potential to have very long-lasting political, policy and financial impacts on the companies in the center of the bullseye."
The memo also suggests that Democratic victories in 2012 should not be the ABA's biggest concern. "… (T)he bigger concern," the memo says, "should be that Republicans will no longer defend Wall Street companies."
Two of the memo's authors, partners Sam Geduldig and Jay Cranford, previously worked for House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio. Geduldig joined CLGC before Boehner became speaker;  Cranford joined CLGC this year after serving as the speaker's assistant for policy. A third partner, Steve Clark, is reportedly "tight" with Boehner, according to a story by Roll Callthat CLGC features on its website.
Jeff Sigmund, an ABA spokesperson, confirmed that the association got the memo. "Our Government Relations staff did receive the proposal – it was unsolicited and we chose not to act on it in any way," he said in a statement to "Up."
CLGC did not return calls seeking comment.
Boehner spokesman Michael Steel declined to comment on the memo. But he responded to its characterization of Republicans as defenders of Wall Street by saying, "My understanding is that President Obama is the single largest recipient of donations from Wall Street."
The CLGC memo raises another issue that it says should be of concern to the financial industry -- that OWS might find common cause with the Tea Party. "Well-known Wall Street companies stand at the nexus of where OWS protestors and the Tea Party overlap on angered populism," the memo says. "…This combination has the potential to be explosive later in the year when media reports cover the next round of bonuses and contrast it with stories of millions of Americans making do with less this holiday season."
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The memo outlines a 60-day plan to conduct surveys and research on OWS and its supporters so that Wall Street companies will be prepared to conduct a media campaign in response to OWS. Wall Street companies "likely will not be the best spokespeople for their own cause," according to the memo.  "A big challenge is to demonstrate that these companies still have political strength and that making them a political target will carry a severe political cost." 
Part of the plan CLGC proposes is to do "statewide surveys in at least eight states that are shaping up to be the most important of the 2012 cycle."
Specific races listed in the memo are U.S. Senate races in Florida, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Wisconsin, Ohio, New Mexico and Nevada as well as the gubernatorial race in North Carolina.
The memo indicates that CLGC would research who has contributed financial backing to OWS, noting that, "Media reports have speculated about associations with George Soros and others."
"It will be vital," the memo says, "to understand who is funding it and what their backgrounds and motives are. If we can show that they have the same cynical motivation as a political opponent it will undermine their credibility in a profound way." 
Jonathan Larsen (@jtlarsen) is executive producer of "Up w/ Chris Hayes"; Ken Olshansky (@kenolshansky) is a producer for the show.
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Chris Hedges | This Is What Revolution Looks Like

"Welcome to the revolution. Our elites have exposed their hand. They have nothing to offer. They can destroy but they cannot build. They can repress but they cannot lead. They can steal but they cannot share. They can talk but they cannot speak. They are as dead and useless to us as the water-soaked books, tents, sleeping bags, suitcases, food boxes and clothes that were tossed by sanitation workers Tuesday morning into garbage trucks in New York City. They have no ideas, no plans and no vision for the future." 
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The High Price of Republican Hypocrisy
Crony capitalism, big government boondoggles, and other GOP failures
A. Barton Hinkle | November 11, 2011

Republicans are hypocrites about sex, it is sometimes said, and Democrats are hypocrites about money. It is true that GOP politicians keep getting caught with their pants down, while limousine liberals are free with other people's money and misers with their own. But this is not the whole story. Republicans are hypocrites about both sex and money.

Take the recent Newsweek story on "The Tea Party Pork Binge." The only time GOP politicians stop criticizing government handouts, it seems, is to ask for them. Which happens a lot.

The story leads off with Virginia's Eric Cantor, who sought billions for high-speed rail in the Old Dominion while he was blasting a similar project in Nevada. (Cantor's office told the mag the House majority leader has since changed his mind.) It's the same with Fred Upton, chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee. He's currently investigating the Energy Department's sweetheart loan guarantees to Solyndra. Two years ago, though, he was seeking millions from the department for projects in his home state of Michigan.

Newsweek isn't the first to plow this ground. The watchdog group Citizens Against Government Waste has detailed the more than $1 billion in earmarks sought by members of the so-called Tea Party caucus. South Carolina's Tim Scott sought $300 million for harbor dredging. Jon Runyan of New Jersey fought for federal beach-replenishment funds. The examples pile up to heights of ridiculous redundancy.

The Tea Party's proletariat is not pleased. "It's pretty disturbing," Judson Phillips, co-founder of Tea Party Nation, tells Newsweek.

But grounds for disillusionment don't end there. Republicans routinely utter shibboleths about the free market. Yet in practice they often substitute government's hand for the invisible one.

Take Rick Perry. He sings the praises of "the free-market enterprise [system] I grew up with." But in Texas, his Enterprise Fund and Emerging Technology Fund have shoveled nearly $650 million of the taxpayers' money into the pockets of private corporations, either by purchasing equity stakes or simply by giving companies cash to relocate. Conservative groups have called the programs "slush funds" and termed Perry "more pro-business than he is pro-free markets."

You could say the same about a lot of GOP governors, including Virginia's Bob McDonnell. This year he cut funds for public broadcasting, and was right to do so. But he also has ladled out lots of money from his Opportunity Fund to companies setting up shop in the Old Dominion. And he's happily giving millions to Steven Spielberg, who is shooting a Lincoln biopic here.

Yet even when he isn't using discretionary funds, McDonnell­like his predecessors­is quick to "announce" new jobs in press releases about any corporate relocations or expansions. The announcements imply, not very subtly, that the governor deserves credit for the jobs. Often that isn't really so; logistics, demographics and many other factors play a far bigger role in corporate decision-making than whatever ancillary help a company might get from the Department of Business Assistance. But "Governor McDonnell Announces 75 New Jobs in Yoknapatawpha County" makes it sound as if the tail is wagging the dog. (Funny how governors never "announce" job cuts, such as the 425 layoffs Smithfield disclosed yesterday.)

Laissez-faire is not the only GOP custom honored more in the breach than in the observance. Remember constitutional authority statements? Under the new House regime, bill sponsors were supposed to cite the relevant constitutional language granting Congress the power to do whatever the bill specified.

And none of that nonsense about the Commerce Clause or the General-Welfare Clause or the Necessary-and-Proper Clause. Conservatives argued, reasonably enough, that those clauses did not grant Congress the unlimited authority to regulate everything and to do whatever it thought was necessary and proper to promote the general welfare. If that were the case, then the Framers would not have bothered to enumerate Congress's specific powers in Article 1, Section 8. Nor would they have referred to "all legislative powers herein granted" in Section 1, which implies some legislative powers are withheld.

So what have Republicans been citing to justify bills on laser pointers, federal aid for veterinarians, charter schools, and more? The Commerce Clause. The General-Welfare Clause. The Necessary-and-Proper Clause.

You can draw several conclusions from all of this. You can view it as proof that, for all their distinction-drawing, Republicans and Democrats are not much different. Or that all politicians are just lying dogs who don't mean a word of what they say. Or that they do mean it, but that once in office they tend to "go native." Or (more charitably) that they are human like the rest of us, and pulled in different directions by competing imperatives.

In the pols' defense, one might recall Francois de La Rochefoucauld's maxim that hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue. That it is. But it would be nice if more Republicans paid the tribute out of their own pockets, instead of ours.


A. Barton Hinkle is a columnist at the Richmond Times-Dispatch, where this article originally appeared.

http://reason.com/archives/2011/11/11/the-high-price-of-republican-hypocrisy
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Anarchism, Liberterianism and OWS
by Robert Teitelman
Posted: 11/15/11 09:34 AM ET

Occupy Wall Street has, from its earliest days, been something of a
bazaar of causes and hobbyhorses. That, in fact, is what defines it, as
I argued in a post a few weeks ago: not a single program or doctrine,
but a kind of open process that, among its more articulate
spokespersons, could be described as anarchism or direct democracy. That
process has baffled most of the media, accustomed to the orthodox left,
right or Republican, Democratic split. This explains the initial
reaction to OWS that it was simply a Tea Party for the left and the
insistence by pundits that it stood for this or that. But it soon became
clear that something else was going on. One day as I wended my way past
Zuccotti Park, I was struck by waving signs demanding to "End the Fed."
This shruggingly seemed, at the time, to represent an example of the
general incoherence of OWS. But a few days later, on the prime media
strip along Broadway by the park, there were suddenly four sign wavers
in a row urging not only to "End the Fed" but to sign up with Ron Paul,
last seen on the GOP presidential debate stage trying to help Rick Perry
with his list of agencies to kill.

This is the kind of thing those on the left -- labor, say, or
doctrinally correct progressives -- will reject as just a fringe
manifestation or, more darkly, an attempt by forces of the right to
co-opt the movement, a sort of Occupy Wall Street occupation. But I'm
less sure of that today than when I first saw those signs. Early this
week an OWS press release publicized "Federal Reserve Awareness Day" on
Wednesday featuring a "moderated discussion" between an outside expert,
David Korten, and an occupier, Harrison Shulz, on the Fed's role "in the
corrupt and dysfunctional systems of financial malfeasance that caused
global depression."

Perhaps the most articulate and sophisticated of OWS "spokespersons"
(that being a mild contradiction in a movement that rejects leadership)
is David Graeber, an anthropologist from Goldsmiths, University of
London who, as far as I can tell, was first identified as such in a
piece in Bloomberg Businessweek last month, and who has since confessed
to being the creator of the "We are the 99%" slogan. Graeber is an open
advocate of anarchism, and was a key player in the discussions in New
York that occurred last summer that gestated what we now know as OWS.
Graeber, however, is no naïf. He's long been involved in
anti-globalization campaigns (or as its known by activists, "global
justice") over the last decade -- he seems to have lost his position at
Yale University over his activism -- and he's the author of a recent
book, "Debt: The First 5,000 Years," which I hope to review in the next
few weeks. Graeber has had a few moments in the public eye, including
two interviews on television -- one on PBS in August (before the protest
began) about debt, the other with Charlie Rose in 2006 -- where he
freely discusses a range of subjects. Both now take on greater
significance than when they were broadcast.

Graeber particularly goes into the history and beliefs of anarchism with
Rose. He has very interesting things to say about the ties between
anarchism today and in its American heyday (heyday being a relative term
-- it's always been relatively small) in the Gilded Age of the 1880s and
1890s and up to World War I. He argues that the war ushered in a long
period of global conflict and struggle, right up to the Cold War,
driving underground a movement that argues against the necessity for
authority, hierarchy and government. Anarchism, he notes, re-emerged in
the form of the anti-globalization movement as the Cold War ended and
the economy boomed. Of course he was speaking in 2006, before the
financial crisis and before the world economy began to shake and
shudder. Looking back now, you have to wonder why, under these crisis
conditions, so many seem attracted to what Graeber calls "experiments in
direct democracy" and re-imagining the world in new ways. But, of
course, Graeber in 2006 could no more foresee the crash any better than,
say, Alan Greenspan.

But that's a digression. Here's Graeber on Rose in 2006 with his short
definition of anarchism: "Anarchism is about acting as if you're already
free. ... Anarchism is democracy without the government. Most people
love democracy, but most people don't like the government very much.
Keep one, take away the other -- that's anarchism. Anarchism is direct
democracy." He elaborates. "Anarchism is the commitment to the idea that
it is possible to have a society based on principles of
self-organization, voluntary association and mutual aid. It's not the
belief that we are necessarily going to have it but that we could have
it. You can't know it's possible. But by the same token you can't know
that it's not possible."

Graeber's description of the anarchist impulse, as an experiment without
government, veers awfully close to Ron Paul-like "End the Fed"
libertarianism. Venture capitalist and libertarian Peter Thiel, for
instance, has helped fund The Seasteading Institute, whose "mission is
"to establish permanent, autonomous ocean communities to enable
experimentation and innovation with diverse social, political, and legal
systems." One of the founders of the institute is Patri Friedman, a
grandson of Milton Friedman, and a former engineer at Google. What is
the difference between Zuccotti Park and a free, autonomous and
sovereign community located in (presumably warm) international waters?
Well, the seasteading idea remains theoretical, while OWS exists, albeit
with the fragile and ironic permission of the police and city. The
emphasis of a Thiel or a Paul (who Thiel has endorsed for president)
involves a far more profound belief in markets than the anarchist belief
in direct democracy, which has its market-like aspects but which is no
fan of the wisdom of markets. Paul and Thiel-style libertarianism has an
Ayn Randian edge -- meaning a kind of Nietzschian belief in supermen
dragged down by the demons -- that is utterly lacking in the consensus
style of Graeber and anarchist theory. The OWS crowd, naively or not,
seem to believe it can transform the larger community by example, like
medieval monks praying for our souls in giant monasteries; the
steasteading crowd seems to argue that they can only carve out their
free space outside the oppressive shadow of the nation-state.

Both are utopian, in the technical sense that neither exists (or at
least that that existence is artificial; OWS could be wiped out
tomorrow). And both suffer from the contradictions and flaws of any
utopian venture in history. But for all their differences -- and there's
a huge stylistic difference between the pensive academic Graeber and the
often pugnaciously argumentative capitalist Thiel -- the roots of the
two movements are tangled, and the language that they use to describe
their aspirations and goals is very similar. "End the Fed" may just be a
silly sign among the many at Zuccotti Park. Or it may suggest
ideological commonalities that we should pay greater attention to.

Robert Teitelman is editor in chief of The Deal magazine.

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Professor: Why, no one.
Skipper: No one?
Thurston Howell III: No one? Good heavens, this is anarchy!
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