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we don't need their oil or the security of israel
choose sides carefullly
On Nov 24, 5:54 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> Thank Our Troops By Bringing Them HomeNovember 23rd, 2011
> by R. Lee Wrights
> BURNET, Texas (Nov. 24) -- Once again, we re entering a season of thanksgiving and joy, when Americans gather with their friends and families to give thanks for their blessings and prosperity, enjoy the camaraderie and warmth of being with those they love, and pray for peace and a better world. It saddens me to know that hundreds of thousands of Americans once again won t be able to be with their families at this special time of year. For far too many of the men and women of our Armed Forces serving in far-off lands, this won t be their first holiday season away from home -- nor will it be their last. Sadder still is that for some of those brave souls serving their country, this could be the last holiday season of their lives. That should not be.
> In the spirit of the season, there are a multitude of organizations and thousands of people who unselfishly endeavor to make the holidays a little brighter for our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines away from home. I ve been a recipient of their graciousness, and it did make my holiday a little better. Yet while I greatly admire and respect their sincerity and efforts, nothing they can do -- nothing anyone can do -- can truly make up for being separated from your family and loved ones on any occasion, for any reason.
> Nothing can replace the precious memories lost by a young father or mother who can only see their child celebrate their first Thanksgiving and Christmas via a Skype call. Nothing can ease the pain of parents who wonder whether their son or daughter will be home for Thanksgiving or Christmas next year -- or will even live to see it. No electronic marvel, no taped messages aired on TV and radio, no CARE package however lovingly wrapped, no sumptuous meal of turkey with all the trimmings, however fondly prepared, can substitute for actually being home for the holidays.
> On this Thanksgiving, I not only will give thanks for the service and sacrifice of the members of our Armed Forces, but I will also renew my promise to support our troops by bringing them home. The greatest gift our nation can give to the brave men and women who have pledged their lives in our nation s defense is to honor that commitment by never again sending them into harm s way capriciously, unnecessarily, for political gain or to line the pockets of those who profit from their sacrifice. America is indeed the home of the brave and we should bring the brave home so that they can enjoy the blessings of liberty in the bosom and safety of their families.http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2011/11/lee-wrights-thank-our-troops-by-bringing-them-home/
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do you want to be happy or do you want to be right?
On Nov 24, 9:48 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dr. Paul clearly made his bed during the last debate, sealing his fate as a
> crackpot. Paul's political career is doomed, even his chances as a cabinet
> member and sharing his fiscal insight will be no more.
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> > *Ron Paul vs. the Rest of the GOP Presidential Field on Foreign Policy
> > * Brian <http://reason.com/people/brian-doherty> Doherty<http://reason.com/people/brian-doherty>| November 23, 2011
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> > Without Ron Paul in the mix, last night's debate would have been more a
> > bidding up of hostility to foreigners (except Israel) than any actual arena
> > of opposing ideas on the future of American foreign policy.
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> > Paul started off talking of "needless and unnecessary wars" making us less
> > safe and beggering our coffers; probably slipped by using Timothy McVeigh
> > as an example of how normal legal procedures can deal with terrorism (and I
> > wish he'd have challenged Ed Meese on the factual significance of these
> > alleged 42 terror assaults that Patriot Act has stopped; aren't they in
> > fact mostly ginned-up nonsense such as Jacob Sullum blogged about<http://reason.com/blog/2011/11/23/is-the-government-catching-terroris...>earlier today?) since it allowed Gingrich to claim that the real goal are
> > legal procedures that make sure nothing bad ever happens. Paul had a good
> > rescue by stressing the threat to liberty of priviliging stopping crimes
> > above any other concern, but I wonder how resonant such concerns are.
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> > Paul reminded us that we might not want to give the president the sole
> > power to assassinate Americans on his say so; that Israel can likely make
> > the most intelligent decision on their own as to whether to start attacking
> > Iranian alleged nuclear site and we should neither be dictating such
> > decisions nor committing to help with them; that trying to buy friendship
> > overseas with foreign aid doesn't always work; that foreign aid isn't
> > necessary for overseas development and in fact is often more like making
> > poor people here support rich people over there; and kept reminding his
> > fellow alleged fiscal conservatives that foreign policy has real financial
> > costs that they are never thinking of.
>
> > Paul also last night hit the drug war as "another war we ought to cancel,"
> > at length, concluding "the federal war on drugs is a total failure" with
> > specific hat tips toward the absurdity of federal assaults on states with
> > medical pot; and that meddling in the Middle East is what gins up terror
> > against us in the Middle East, with his usual calls to empathetic
> > understanding, considering what we would think/do if other countries did to
> > us what we blithely do to other countries--"it's just looking for trouble,
> > why don't we mind our own business?"
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> > Paul's most summational quotable quote, applicable to not only foreign
> > policy but so much about the current plans and ambitions of the U.S.
> > government: "It's a road to disaster. We better wake up."
>
> > Here's the Paul-centric highlights clip from last night:
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> > *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZAW2spbZys&feature=player_embedded
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> > *In other Paul observations and news:
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> > *Paul as the only voice last night against racial profiling<http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/162771/ron-paul-the-only-candidate-to...>in the name of the war on terror.
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> > *AEI sums up the debate<http://www.aei.org/article/foreign-and-defense-policy/republican-hope...>it co-sponsored, giving as much attention to Jon Huntsman's wan
> > anti-nation-building comments as to Paul's concerted assault on the roots
> > of GOP and American foreign policy.
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> > *Glenn Greenwald from *Salon* attacks the nature and character<http://www.salon.com/2011/11/23/what_endless_war_looks_like/singleton/>of the interlocutors at the debate, and hat-tips to Paul's rare sense:
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> > It was like a carnival of war criminals, warmongers, torturers, and
> > petty tyrants: Reagan Attorney General Ed Meese, best known for his 1980s
> > war on pornography, was dredged up to demand that the government be vested
> > with more Patriot Act powers (because he's a believer in individual liberty
> > and small government); there was long-time supporter of Ahmad Chalabi<http://www.aei.org/article/foreign-and-defense-policy/regional/middle...>and a war
> > on Iran <http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/pletka_danielle>,
> > Danielle Pletka; Iraq War propagandist and torture<http://washingtonindependent.com/39988/more-on-wolfowitz-and-torture> regime
> > architect<http://washingtonindependent.com/39988/more-on-wolfowitz-and-torture>Paul Wolfowitz; and Fred Kagan of the mighty
> > Kagan warrior family<http://www1.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/10/16/neonepotism/index....>.
> > But remember: as the supremely "objective" CBS' Bob Schieffer made clear in
> > his snickering, scornful interview on
> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXvHPkRHBvk&feature=feedu> Face the Nation<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXvHPkRHBvk&feature=feedu>this weekend, it is Ron Paul who is crazy and bizarre for suggesting that
> > U.S. aggression played a role in motivating 9/11 and for being worried that
> > bellicose actions against Iran are making things worse and may lead to war.
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> > *From Paul's campaign web site blogger Jack Hunter, a set of media stars giving
> > Paul props<http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2011/11/23/paul-vs-romney-tweets-from-last...>for schooling Romney last night on the myth of defense cuts.
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> > *The Christian Science Monitor from a few days ago collecting examples of
> > major media now taking Paul seriously<http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/President/2011/1120/Ron-Paul-s...>,
> > in a story that was front-page linked on Drudge. While I don't follow
> > Drudge meticulously, various Paulistas believe this might have been his
> > first big-time positive play for Paul on that site, which they see in
> > itself as a further sign of Paul's reputational rise.
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> > *In a poll commissioned by Paul-supporting superpac RevolutionPAC, Paul
> > actually is winning in Iowa<http://www.revolutionpac.com/2011/11/new-iowa-poll-places-ron-paul-fi...>with 25 percent. Here's why they think their poll is better than others:
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> > The TeleResearch survey is the first to incorporate disaffected
> > Democrats and Independents who will not vote to reelect Obama and will
> > instead crossover to participate in the Iowa Republican Caucus, as well as
> > likely Republican caucus-goers.
> > Survey sample size is approximately 2,900, with almost 700 likely
> > Republican caucus-goers. Indiana's TeleResearch Corp., which has been
> > polling voters for more than 18 years, reports that the margin of error is
> > less than 3%.
> > Factoring in both Republican caucus-goers and disaffected Democrats and
> > Independents who've indicated that they will participate in the Iowa
> > Republican Caucus, Ron Paul leads at 25%, with an approximate 4-point
> > advantage over Newt Gingrich and Herman Cain.
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> >http://reason.com/blog/2011/11/23/ron-paul-vs-the-rest-of-the-gop-pre...
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On Nov 25, 9:22 am, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Why does the law make it illegal to migrate here?
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> It doesn't
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there comes a time in life that we can say fuck you ... I'll eat,
drink and smoke what I want
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On Nov 25, 3:47 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> ""I've spent years studying this stuff," he adds, and one could well believe he had indeed spent years learning how to start out with a libertarian premise –"It's desperately important that we preserve your right to be innocent until proven guilty"– and coming out the other end with a purely authoritarian conclusion. This, as I've pointed out in the past, isBizarro Conservatism– a doctrine that preaches the preciseoppositeof what the traditional "less government," pro-individual rights conservativesused tobelieve."Showdown at Neocon CentralNewt Gingrich vs. Ron PaulbyJustin Raimondo, November 25, 2011
> The Republican "national security"debatesponsored byNeocon CentraltheAmerican Enterprise Instituteand theHeritage Foundationcaptured perfectly the intellectual and political bankruptcy of the Republican party when it comes to foreign policy. Here the party's panderingdemagoguery, reflexiveultra-nationalism, and visceralhostility to libertywas on full display in all its exhibitionistic belligerence. It was only natural, therefore, that the first question was asked by disgraced former US Attorney GeneralEdwin Meese, who was forced to resign as Reagan's AG as a result of his complicity in obtaining big defense contracts for a phony "minority"-owned company. Here is his "question":"At least 42 terrorist attacks aimed at the United States have been thwarted since 9/11. Tools like the Patriot Act have been instrumental in finding and stopping terrorists. Shouldn't we have a long range extension of the investigative powers contained in that act so that our law enforcement officers can have the tools that they need?"What a set up forNewt Gingrich! And he certainly took advantage of it: naturally he was given the first answer –with poor Herman Cain having outlived his usefulness and been unceremoniouslydumped, Newt is the "mainstream" media'snew darling. That's because he can always be counted on to reiterate the neocons' favorite talking points, and on this occasion he did not disappoint:"BLITZER: Speaker Gingrich, only this weekend there was an alleged terror plot uncovered in New York City. What do you think?
> "GINGRICH: Well, I think that Attorney General Meese has raised a key point, and the key distinction for the American people to recognize is the difference between national security requirements and criminal law requirements.
> "I think it's desperately important that we preserve your right to be innocent until proven guilty, if it's a matter of criminal law. But if you're trying to find somebody who may have a nuclear weapon that they are trying to bring into an American city, I think you want to use every tool that you can possibly use to gather the intelligence.
> "The Patriot Act has clearly been a key part of that. And I think looking at it carefully and extending it and building an honest understanding that all of us will be in danger for the rest of our lives. This is not going to end in the short run. And we need to be prepared to protect ourselves from those who, if they could, would not just kill us individually, but would take out entire cities."In less than 200 words, Newt managed the wholesale bifurcation of American law into two parallel tracks, one that acknowledges how "desperately important" it is to "preserve your right to be innocent until proven guilty," and the other which recognizes no such necessity – and, in fact, negates it.
> Oh, isn't he glib – isn't heclever? With a mere sleight of hand he has obviatedtheConstitutionand upended the legal and moral traditions of two hundred years. What an achievement! He smiles agreasy, easy grin,well-pleased with himself. The audience dutifully applauds.
> "I've spent years studying this stuff," he adds, and one could well believe he had indeed spent years learning how to start out with a libertarian premise –"It's desperately important that we preserve your right to be innocent until proven guilty"– and coming out the other end with a purely authoritarian conclusion. This, as I've pointed out in the past, isBizarro Conservatism– a doctrine that preaches the preciseoppositeof what the traditional "less government," pro-individual rights conservativesused tobelieve.
> Newt'sclash with Ron Paulover this issue defined the parameters of the subsequent hour or so: this was the firstPaul-centricdebate, preceded by hisrise in the pollsand his increasingly important role as theideologicalcatalystof this GOP presidential primary. Once again, as in the economic sphere – with even former Federal Reserve board memberHerman CainechoingPaul's callto audit the Fed – the Texas congressman set the tone of the discussion with his ringing defense of the Founders' concept of what freedom means:"I think the Patriot Act is unpatriotic because it undermines our liberty. I'm concerned, as everybody is, about the terrorist attack. Timothy McVeigh was a vicious terrorist. He was arrested. Terrorism is still on the books, internationally and nationally, it's a crime and we should deal with it.
> "We dealt with it rather well with Timothy McVeigh. But why I really fear it is we have drifted into a condition that we were warned against because our early founders were very clear. They said, don't be willing to sacrifice liberty for security.
> "Today it seems too easy that our government and our congresses are so willing to give up our liberties for our security. I have a personal belief that you never have to give up liberty for security. You can still provide security without sacrificing our Bill of Rights."Newt thought he'd won by making a dramatic pause and intoning:
> "Yes. Timothy McVeigh succeeded. That's the whole point."Looking like a Halloween pumpkin left out in the rain, Gingrich went into novelist mode,scaring the childrenwith the specter of "losing a major American city" and bringing his fist down hard on the podium as he thundered"I want a law that says, you try to take out an American city, we're going to stop you!"Paul's answer wasperfect:"This is like saying that we need a policeman in every house, a camera in every house because we want to prevent child-beating and wife-beating. You can prevent crimes by becoming a police state. So if you advocate the police state, yes, you can have safety and security and you might prevent a crime, but the crime then will be against the American people and against our freedoms. And we will throw out so much of what our revolution was fought for. So don't do it so carelessly."In short: why not just set up a dictatorship and be done with it? Paul is too polite to point out that Newt would make theperfectdictator, strutting about the stage and puffing out his chest like a peacock on parade – so I will.
> I thought I detected an elegiac note in Paul's remarks, a sadness in his voice as he pleaded with his audience not to throw away the Founders' gift "so carelessly." As if he fears that they probably will, anyway.
> There is reason for pessimism: we are, after all, living in a time when a half-bakedprofessionalbloviatorlike Gingrich is considered a conservative "intellectual." With the help of the "mainstream" media – which would like nothing more than to see the singularlyunattractiveandbaggage-ladenGingrich up againsttheir heroObama – the Newtster is having his moment in the sun. It will, however, be a brief moment – and he's not really running for president anyway.Everyone knowshis campaign has been a vanity project and moneymaking operation from the outset.
> Quietlygaining traction, the growth and development of the Paulian movement occurring largelybeneaththe media's radar, the Paul campaign has achieved tremendous gains for the peace movement in America. No matter how it ends, it has created a new chapter in the history of the foreign policy discourse in this country: anti-interventionism is no longer considered the exclusive preserve of the "radical" left. For the first time since the 1930s, the anti-imperialist tendency in American conservatism is in the ascendant: theOld Rightisback, more organized andintellectually coherentthan ever.
> This is a development the neocons have longfeared, and the viciousattackson Paul coming fromthose quartersare bound to increase in number and intensity as the campaign succeeds in becoming theconservative alternativeto thesupposedly"inevitable" Mitt Romney.
> Gingrich's job in all this is to act as the "moderator," the Deep Thinker who polices the discussion, always on the lookout for any deviation fromneoconservative orthodoxy. His role-playing is underscored by thepost-debatespeculationover whether he imperiled his rising star by taking a "soft" stand on immigration.
> It may seem passing strange that someone so concerned about a nuclear bomb being smuggled into a major American city would take such a lax attitude about policing our borders. But that's the Newtster for you: he can think up an argument foranything– even taking$1.6 millionfromFreddie Macwhile at the same timeclaiming to be in favor of abolishing it! I tell you, the man's a genius – and if you don't believe that, then just ask him. After all, he's "spent years studying this stuff."
> There's nothing new in Newt's stance on immigration: he's been saying the same thingfor years. He said at the debate he's "willing to take the heat" on this issue because the neocons – who see America as a "universal nation," like Rome, Great Britain, and the other great empires of the past – have always been for amnestying so-called illegal aliens. On the other hand, Paul echoes the concerns of the Republican base in wondering why, when we've lost control of our own borders, we're so concerned aboutsecuringthe border between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
> Every conservative aspirant but Paul has had his moment in the media spotlight as the rightist "alternative" to the Inevitable Romney – not, you'll note, on account of any actual votes being cast, except in widely variable polls of oftentimes dubious provenance, but largely due to the amount of media attention lavished on them. Cain waspropelledinto the spotlight, and just as quickly abandoned: Perry wasonce hyped, and he too fell by the wayside – not to mentionBachman(andPalin) before them.
> Now it's Paul's turn – but his rise is coming about in quite a different way, which is why it may prove more lasting than the others. That's because his steadily rising poll numbers are due entirely to his own efforts, and the efforts of his supporters: theantiwar libertariancertainly has not gotten a push from the "mainstream" media. Quite the opposite: it got to the point where Jon Stewart was able to write an entirecomedy routinearound how deliberately the media was ignoring Paul.
> The media Establishment'scurrent lineon Ron Paul is that he is preparing a third-party run: that way, they don't have to even discuss the prospect that he could mount an effective challenge to Romney. Yet the new GOP primary rules, which giveproportional representationinstead of "winner take all," are conducive to Paul's steady-as-it-goes come-from-behind campaign strategy – and Iowa, where organization and dedication count most of all, is now in Paul'ssights. Independentscan votein the New Hampshire primary, and the momentum of a Paul victory in Iowa could bring in an influx of antiwar voters and give him a breakthrough victory in the "Live Free or Die" state.
> Both Paul and the foreign policy issue have gotten short shrift this election season, at least so far – but so what else is new? Insofar as the latter is concerned, inattention to what would seem to be an important issue has been the norm formany years. That's why the American people woke up, one day, to find themselves in possession of aworld empire, without having any memory of having voted on it or consented to it in any way.
> This election, however, may turn out different. It's a long way to Election Day, 2012 – and in politics, a year might as well be a century. A lot can happen: for example, Israel couldstrike at Iranand drag us into a war that all the GOP candidates but one would reflexively support. Not that the Israelis would eventhinkof trying to influence the outcome of the election through such a ploy – or would they?http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2011/11/24/showdown-at-neocon-central/
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