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Why It Doesn't Pay To Cooperate With Police

May 21, 2012 by Bob Livingston

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Keep your car free from clutter and conceal everything that you want to keep private.

Police officers are trained manipulators. They take classes to learn how to read people's body language and how to ask open-ended and innocent-sounding questions in order to surreptitiously obtain information they can use against you.

They also have a knowledge of the laws that you don't possess — and laws differ from State to State, and even from one jurisdiction in a State to another. Police have also been known to invent "laws," place "evidence" that can be linked to you and twist your words into meaning something you did not intend.

For that reason you should never consent to a police search of your vehicle and never volunteer information when being questioned. Of course, not consenting doesn't mean you won't be subjected to an unConstitutional and illegal search, as Nancy Genovese learned.

But two recent cases drive home the point of why it doesn't pay to cooperate with police: that of Army Lt. Augustine Kim and that of Diane Avera.

Before being deployed to Afghanistan, Kim left his gun collection with his parents in New Jersey. In the summer of 2010, Kim was back in the United States after being injured in a vehicle crash in Afghanistan. He had a medical appointment at Walter Reed Army Medical Center and decided to work a trip from his South Carolina home to his parent's New Jersey home around the medical center appointment.

He loaded his guns plus some spare parts in the trunk of his Honda Civic and headed to his medical appointment. He got lost in downtown Washington, D.C., and was pulled over by police. The officer said his license had been suspended, but Kim said he was not aware that it had been. It turns out the suspension was a clerical error caused by the State of North Carolina incorrectly reporting to South Carolina that Kim had failed to pay for a ticket.

But because of the erroneous suspension, the D.C. officer called for backup and told Kim he'd have to go to the police station. Then the officer asked if he could search his vehicle. Kim consented because he knew his guns were properly locked in a case, which complied with Federal firearms transportation laws. Kim was handcuffed and made to sit on the curb. He was then booked on four counts of carrying outside the home. Officers told him that he was in violation of registration laws because he admitted to having stopped at Walter Reed. In D.C., having a weapon outside the home is illegal.

In Demopolis, Ala., Avera answered a police officer's question honestly. It landed her in jail for 40 days — including 17 hours strapped in a restraint chair — and a conviction on a drug charge that carries a sentence of one year in jail and seven years of probation.

Avera had recently taken up the hobby of scuba diving. Her dive instructor had advised her to take pseudoephedrine (Sudafed) to help her equalize pressure on her eardrums and to help her with other sinus issues she experienced while diving. This is a common practice among divers; and Avera had, under advice from her physician, taken pseudoephedrine many times before to treat allergies.

But just weeks before Avera was arrested, a new State ordinance went into effect in her home State of Mississippi that made pseudoephedrine a prescription drug. So Avera drove to Alabama to buy some.

In the car with Avera were her adult son, his girlfriend and their three children. The son and girlfriend bought two boxes of Sudafed from a CVS. Avera bought another at Wal-Mart. As she pulled away from Wal-Mart, Demopolis Police Sgt. Tim Soronen pulled her over. (In Avera's trial it was revealed the CVS pharmacist was a police informant who tipped off police about the Sudafed purchase.)

"What brings you to Demopolis?" Soronen asked.

"I came over to buy some Sudafed for our scuba diving trip this weekend, since we can't buy it in Meridian anymore," Avera replied.

Soronen asked Avera if she knew it was against the law to cross the State line to buy Sudafed. Avera said she did not. Soronen ordered her out of the car.

Using the threat of kidnapping Avera's grandchildren and putting them into the hands of the State Department of Human Resources, Soronen extorted a confession from Avera that she was buying Sudafed to manufacture crystal methamphetamine. It did not help that her son — a habitual drug user who had been through rehab several times — had a bottle of methadone and a pouch containing drug paraphernalia that police found during a vehicle search.

She was convicted after the trial judge allowed the prosecutor to make entirely unsubstantiated claims. These included that Avera had confessed to having used crystal meth for two years — her former employer, a physician, insisted there was never any indication she was a drug user — and that she had somehow "diluted" drug tests that showed she had no meth in her system.

Avera's conviction is being appealed, and she is free on a $20,000 bond. But Kim accepted a deal that allowed him to plead guilty of one misdemeanor charge of possessing an unregistered gun with the understanding the charges would be dismissed and his guns and gun parts — worth $10,000 — would be returned if he stayed out of trouble for nine months. Now the Metropolitan Police are refusing to release Kim's guns.

"The mistake he made was agreeing to a search of his vehicle," Kim's attorney Richard Gardiner told The Washington Times. "If the police ask for consent to search, the answer is 'no.' If they ask, 'why not?' The answer is, 'no.'"

For most people, encounters with police end with no more than a warning or a ticket. But you never know when you may say or do something that interests the officer enough that he or she wants to take a closer look at who you are and where you've been.

Privacy expert and lawyer Mark Nestmann writes in his book, The Lifeboat Strategy to never consent to a vehicle search. He reminds that you do not have to answer an officer's questions if you are being detained.

From his book:

Say something like, "Officer, I know you want to do your job, but I can't consent to a search." A likely response will be, "Why not? What do you have to hide?" You are under no obligation to answer this question. Instead, say something like, "Officer, am I under arrest? If not, I would respectfully ask that you permit me to leave." If there's no response, then announce, "Officer, if you're not detaining me, may I leave?" If the response is "yes," say "thank you" and leave immediately. If the response is ambiguous, or if your question is answered by another question, repeat your question: "Am I being detained, or may I leave now?"

If the response is "no," you're being detained. Police may detain you or your vehicle for a brief time… If you're detained, you're under no obligation to answer any questions or consent to a search. You should point that out; but again, in a non-threatening way. One way is to make a joke; e.g., "My lawyer would kill me if I consented to a search without him being present."… Specifically mention the word "lawyer." This will end many requests for a search or to answer questions. If not, tell the officer that you want to call your lawyer… If you don't have a lawyer… Just keep your mouth shut and don't consent to a search.

Nestmann also recommends you keep your car free from clutter and conceal everything that you want to keep private. If an officer sees something suspicious out in the open, he can get around the need for consent or a warrant and claim probable cause.

Most people now break many laws during the course of their day that they don't even know exist. The presumption of innocence no longer applies. Over the past several decades, police have become increasingly militarized and increasingly militant and abusive. For years, complaints about abusive police from members of the black community have fallen on deaf ears. Propaganda-induced ignorance will cause many to dismiss this issue still.

Some people are concerned there will come a time in the United States when the military will be brought to bear on the regular citizens in a time of riots or civil unrest. But it's more likely we should fear the police, who are already showing a proclivity to attack and abuse citizens — including children — and are obviously preparing for civil unrest.

 



 


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Donkey Rape spurs tribal massacre in Yemen

by barenakedislam

No, no, it isn't what you think. This time, it's not the Muslim raping a donkey, it's a donkey raping an ass.

Emirates(H/T trop)  Fifteen people were killed or injured in tribal fighting in Yemen after a male donkey chased an ass and raped it just near the house of its owner. Newspapers in Yemen said the owner of the ass got mad after he saw the donkey attacking his animal, prompting him to chase the donkey and hit it. The attack infuriated the donkey owner, who called on his armed tribesmen to take revenge.

"The problem snowballed into an armed fight between Makabis tribe, which owns the donkey, and Bani Abbas which owns the ass…15 people were either killed or injured in the battle," the Saudi Arabic language daily Aleqtisadiah said, quoting newspapers in Yemen. A large police force intervened and stopped the fighting at a village in the southwestern province of Abb, newspapers said, adding that police had arrested eight persons involved in the conflict.

But here's a Muslim screwing a donkey in Iraq. Videotape and witty commentary provided by American soldier.

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Man sues city over seizure of house with underground shelter…

Unbelievable he is just and old guy and they grilled him for 10 hours he still hasn't gotten his house or its contents back Every one had these kinds of shelters during the cold war…I guess you could have your house taken away for having a storm cellar too…This this could happen to any of us for any trumped up reason they choose…How unnecessary and cruel…

Marlene  xxx

http://www.statesman.com/news/local/man-sues-city-over-seizure-of-house-with-2345041.html

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Cherokee Kenyan

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Let's see an enumeration of ALL those Acts/Legislation/Etc. that Barrack Obama has implemented while President which are 'evil' or 'bad' or otherwise as reported/championed by Republicans.

1. PPACA -- Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act
2.
3.
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The Republicans ALREADY control the House of Representatives. WHAT have they done to REPEAL/ELIMINATE the above?
WHAT -- if anything -- will a Republican House and Republican Senate do POST election to REPEAL/ELIMINATE the above?
WHAT -- if anything -- will a Republican House, Senate and Executive do POST election to REPEAL/ELIMINATE the above?

Regard$,
--MJ

"Conservatives are having a heyday calling President Obama a socialist. What they block out of their minds is that by their own measure, they are socialists too. . . . But while conservatives want to protect the assets of the rich from IRS confiscation and welfare-state redistribution, conservatives cannot deny that they themselves also favor the welfare-state concept of taxing people so that the state can redistribute the money to others. The only thing different between conservatives and liberals is the identity of the people they wish to tax and the identity of people they wish to receive the loot." -- Jacob Hornberger

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Really Cool Website

by Dave

This link below is to a site that demonstrates the vast scale of the Universe.

Click here.

And be sure and gather the kids around, because they are going to love this, too.

-Dave

(h/t: Neal Boortz)

 

Dave | May 14, 2012 at 3:55 pm | Categories: Uncategorized | URL: http://wp.me/pKuKY-ejZ

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How Many Private Americans Died in 2010 Due to Terror Incidents?
Posted by Michael S. Rozeff on May 21, 2012 10:44 AM

Fifteen (15) according to the U.S. government's 2010 Report on Terrorism, the most comprehensive of its kind. Of these, thirteen (13) were in Afghanistan, one (1) in Iraq, and one (1) in Uganda.

These data suggest that the War on Terror for the sake of American security is entirely fraudulent. They suggest that the unbelievably high U.S. military expenditures that are often loosely linked to terror concerns cannot be justified by any conceivable terror threats.

Further evidence in support of these inferences are data from the same report on the total deaths by country worldwide associated with terror incidents in 2010. The largest number is 3,364 in Iraq. The second largest is 3,202 in Afghanistan. The U.S. attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan have without question caused terrorist attacks to soar in those two countries. Before the U.S. made war on Saddam Hussein and on the Taliban, who ever heard of terrorism being a problem in those lands? And who in his right mind regarded whatever terrorism existed there as a significant threat to America or American lives?
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Dearborn Arab shoots black customer in back, kills, media ignores

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The killing happened on March 9 but curiously national media attention has been nil as have been the typical race-baiting mouthpieces. Neither would dare question the Muslim or Arab community they've protected for so long. via Clerk Charged With Murder In Gas Station Shooting Over Condoms « CBS Detroit. h/t Ms Kafir DETROIT (WWJ) – [...]

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Chicago Occu-Traitors Chant During NATO Protest: 'What Do We Want? Dead Cops!'

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Via Chicago Sun-Times:

Several thousand protesters spent five hours peacefully chanting, singing and marching against war. At the end, nearly 40 young veterans dramatically took their military medals and hurled them toward McCormick Place, where world leaders met behind closed doors.

It was supposed to end there — at Michigan and Cermak.

But a "Black Bloc" of about 100 anarchists wanted something else. The group, which chanted "What do we want? Dead cops!" as it left Grant Park at 2 p.m., surged to the front of the protest crowd and tried to break through the imposing line of Chicago cops in riot gear blocking its path.

Then, in a scene Chicagoans feared ever since the city learned it would host the NATO Summit, the two sides violently clashed on live TV, with police nightsticks flailing and protesters unleashing a volley of sticks, bottles and at least one rock.

The battle at Michigan and Cermak flared and then slowed, and then flared again in bursts between 5 and 6:30 p.m. By then, much of the Black Bloc had slipped away, leaving behind a scene of bloodied protesters and four injured cops, including one stabbed in the leg.

With police intent on pushing protesters west away from the NATO Summit, and the Black Bloc hell bent on pushing east towards President Barack Obama and dozens of world leaders, the clash seemed an inevitable conclusion to months of debate over how and where the protest would end.

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The questions in the article lead me to wonder how a person on a Fulbright scholarship as a foreign student became a millionaire President of the USA starting on a $12,000/year job as a community organizer?

 

YOU JUST CAN'T EXPLAIN THIS AWAY - - :
This election has me very worried. So many things to consider.

I voted for Obama. McCain was a Washington insider and we don't need any more of them.

I have changed my mind three times, since then. I watch all the news channels, jumping from one to another.

I must say this drives my husband crazy. But, I feel if you view CNN, and Fox News, you might get some middle ground to work with.

I started thinking "where does all the money come from for President Obama?"

I have four daughters who went to College, and we were middle class, and money was tight. We (including my girls) worked hard and there were lots of student loans. I started looking into Obama's history for my own peace of mind.

Around 1979 Obama started college at Occidental in California .

He is very open about his two years at Occidental, he tried all kinds of drugs and was wasting his time but, even though he had a brilliant mind, did not apply himself to his studies.

"Barry" (that was the name he used all his life) during this time had two roommates, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, both from Pakistan . During the summer of 1981, after his second year in college, he made a "round the world" trip.

Stopping to see his mother in Indonesia , next Hyderabad in India , three weeks in Karachi , Pakistan where he stayed with his roommate's family, then off to Africa to visit his father's family.

My question - Where did he get the money for this trip?

Neither I, nor any one of my children would have had money for a trip like this when they were in college. When he came back he started school at Columbia University in New York . It is at this time he wants everyone to call him Barack - not Barry.

Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia ? It's not cheap! To say the least. My girls asked me; where did he get money for tuition? Student Loans? Maybe its none of my business?

After Columbia , he went to Chicago to work as a Community Organizer for $12,000 a year. Why Chicago ?

Why not New York ? He was already living in New York .

By "chance" he met Antoin "Tony" Rezko, born in Aleppo Syria , and a real estate developer in Chicago . Rezko has been convicted of fraud and bribery several times in the past and in 2011 Rezko, was named "Entrepreneur of the Decade" by the Arab-American Business and Professional Association."

About two years later, Obama entered Harvard Law School .

Do you have any idea what tuition is for Harvard Law School ?

Where did he get the money for Law School ?

More student loans? His family had no money thats for sure.

After Law school, he went back to Chicago .

Rezko offered him a job, which he turned down.

But, he did take a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland.

Guess what I discovered?

They represented "Rezar" which is Rezko's firm. Rezko was one of Obama's first major financial contributors when he ran for office in Chicago .

In 2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser for Obama which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing Obama with "seed money" for his U.S. Senate race.

In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in Kenwoood District of Chicago for $1.65 million (less than asking price). With ALL those Student Loans - Where did he get the money for this property? On the same day Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty lot for full price. The London Times reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born billionaire, loaned Rezko $3.5 million three weeks before Obama's new home was purchased. Obama met Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko.

Now, we have Obama running for President. Valerie Jarrett, was Michele Obama's boss. She is now Obama's chief advisor and he does not make any major decisions without talking to her first.

Where was Jarrett born? Ready for this? Shiraz , Iran ! Am I going nuts or is there a pattern here?

On May 10, 2008 The Times reported Robert Malley, advisor to Obama, was "sacked" after the press found out he was having regular contacts with "Hamas," which controls Gaza and is connected with Iran .

This past week, buried in the back part of the papers, Iraqi newspapers reported that during Obama's visit to Iraq , he asked their leaders to do nothing about the war until after he is elected, and he will "Take care of things." What the heck does that mean?
Oh, and by the way, remember the college roommates that were born
in Pakistan ? They are in charge of all those "small" Internet campaign contribution for Obama. Where is that money coming from?.............

The poor and middle class in this country?

Or could it be from the Middle East ?

And the final bit of news. On September 7, 2009, The Washington Times posted a verbal slip that was made on "This Week" with George Stephanopoulos. Obama on talking about his religion said, "My Muslim faith." When questioned, "he made a mistake." Some mistake huh?
All of the above information I got on line. If you would like to check it -

Wikipedia, encyclopedia,

Barack Obama; Tony Rezko; Valerie Jarrett: Daily Times - Obama visited Pakistan in 1981;

The Washington Times - September 7, 2008; The Times May 10, 2008.

Now the BIG question - If I found out all this information on my own.

WHY haven't all of our "intelligent" members of the PRESS been reporting this?

Is this a Kettle of smelly imported Fish??

These are legitimate questions for the President and all Americans.

Will History report our President was bought and paid for?

- Show me the money . . FOREIGN STUDENT

 

 

 

 



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