Re: broke?

Seems the general public has the same problem living within their
means that Congress has.

On Nov 6, 6:43 pm, geoffrey theist <gtheist...@gmail.com> wrote:
> what is the alternative?
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 2:44 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
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> > Only 58 percent of Americans have a job right now.
> > Only 56 percent of Americans are currently covered by employer-
> > provided health insurance
> > The median yearly wage in the United States is $26,261
> > The average American household is carrying $75,600 in debt
> > Only the top 5 percent of U.S. households have earned enough
> > additional income to match the rise in housing costs since 1975.
> > At this point, American families are approximately 7.7 trillion
> > dollars poorer than they were back in early 2007
> > The poorest 50% of all Americans now own just 2.5% of all the wealth
> > in the United States.
> > Approximately 21 percent of all children in the United States were
> > living below the poverty line.
> > Today, there are more than 44 million Americans on food stamps, and
> > nearly half of them are children
> > Close to 20 percent of all American men between the ages of 25 and 54
> > do not have a job at the moment
> > Globalization forces Americans to accept that the coming decades are
> > likely to see U.S. standards of living decline relative to the rest of
> > the world.
>
> > According to Marx, capitalism will inevitably lead to ruin in
> > accordance with certain laws of economic movement. These laws are "the
> > Law of the Tendency of the Rate of Profit to Fall," "the Law of
> > Increasing Poverty," and "the Law of Centralization of Capital." Small
> > capitalists go bankrupt, and their production means are absorbed by
> > large capitalists. During the process of bankruptcy and absorption,
> > capital is gradually centralized by a few large capitalists, and the
> > entire middle class declines. Thus, two major classes, a small
> > minority of large capitalists, and a large proletarian majority are
> > formed.
>
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Re: Jesus as a Republican

Geoffrey,

For those that are "biblicly challenged" we have a service..... There
is no such thing as "scripture line and verse" it is "Chapter and
verse"

For those that are "visually challenged" we also have a
service........ the quotes he listed begin with the chapter and verse
and are present in ANY and ALL Christian/Catholic Bibles.... I guess
you either don't read yours or you "cherry pick" what to pay attention
to....either is "non-christian" of you. .

On Nov 6, 7:18 pm, geoffrey theist <gtheist...@gmail.com> wrote:
> you are a liar match this to scripture line and verse!!!!!
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> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 6:58 AM, studio <tl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Republitards interpretation of the Bible:
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> > Remember in the Bible where Jesus blames everything on the poor?
>
> > Where Jesus tells them they shouldn't protest against Roman rule?
>
> > The part where Jesus tells the poor how lazy they are?
>
> > Or Jesus tells the people paying taxes is wrong?
>
> > And where Jesus tells the people how good unfettered capitalism is?
> > (Well, they didn't call it capitalism back then, it was just called
> > greed).
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> > And the part where Jesus tells the rich to take the credit and the
> > money?
>
> > And how Jesus tells the rich that they'll be able to keep their wealth
> > and status the same in Heaven?
>
> > And the part where Jesus tells the people not to follow in his
> > footsteps, but to do what He say's, not what He does?
>
> > Or how Jesus tells the people that putting forth false witnesses will
> > gain you popularity?
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> > Or how Jesus was a patriotic supporter of a strong military?
>
> > Or how Jesus specific states how He's firmly set against gays and
> > lesbians?
>
> > And how Jesus goes into great detail how women and doctors who perform
> > abortions should be punished?
>
> > So next time you ponder the question; "what would Jesus do?"
> > It's all right there in the Republican Bible of Money folks...
>
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Re: Jesus as a Republican

you are a liar match this to scripture line and verse!!!!!

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 6:58 AM, studio <tlack@hotmail.com> wrote:

Republitards interpretation of the Bible:

Remember in the Bible where Jesus blames everything on the poor?

Where Jesus tells them they shouldn't protest against Roman rule?

The part where Jesus tells the poor how lazy they are?

Or Jesus tells the people paying taxes is wrong?

And where Jesus tells the people how good unfettered capitalism is?
(Well, they didn't call it capitalism back then, it was just called
greed).

And the part where Jesus tells the rich to take the credit and the
money?

And how Jesus tells the rich that they'll be able to keep their wealth
and status the same in Heaven?

And the part where Jesus tells the people not to follow in his
footsteps, but to do what He say's, not what He does?

Or how Jesus tells the people that putting forth false witnesses will
gain you popularity?

Or how Jesus was a patriotic supporter of a strong military?

Or how Jesus specific states how He's firmly set against gays and
lesbians?

And how Jesus goes into great detail how women and doctors who perform
abortions should be punished?

So next time you ponder the question; "what would Jesus do?"
It's all right there in the Republican Bible of Money folks...

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Re: Ron Paul’s De-Stimulus Plan

don't you think that the cost of$300.00 HAMMERS etc. being brought into line with current REAL pricing would offset the cost of cuts in military spending along with all the price gouging that occurs in federal government procurement? if federal government spending was reduced by 3% over 15 to 20 years from current levels in real money.we could beat this with out a lot of pain. this is without changing the current tax code which FUCKS the middle class.

2011/11/5 Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com>

PlainOl wrote:

 

"Paul is the only presidential candidate proposing policies that address the country's fundamental economic problems"

 

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Not exactly true.  Paul's "de-stimulus"  is pretty much a carbon copy of Newt Gingrich's "American Solutions";  formulated years before Paul's 2011 campaign announcement.

 

In general, I agree with both Mr. Gingrich, and if Paul wasn't so far out and naive on foreign policy,  and would remove his cuts in defense,  I could go along with Dr. Paul's plan. 

 

 

2011/11/4 plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com>

Paul is the only presidential candidate proposing policies that
address the country's fundamental economic problems

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a vote for Ron Paul is a vote for America and our citizens

On Nov 4, 11:14 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> "Now, readers can be forgiven for not being familiar with the depression of 1946, because there actually wasn't one. But many Keynesian economists were predicting in 1945 the onset of economic depression as a consequence of peacetime demobilization. However, the exact opposite occurred, because the end of the war brought an enormous peace dividend in the form of a two-thirds reduction in government spending as well as the removal of most of the wartime economic regulations."Ron Paul's De-Stimulus Planby Tim Kelly, November 4, 2011

> Congressman Ron Paul has put forth an economic plan that calls for serious cuts in the size, budget, and power of the federal government. He has also proposed policies that would end the Fed-driven inflation responsible for the global economic meltdown. This is truly a de-stimulus plan.
> Paul's plan would immediately cut $1 trillion from the federal budget by closing down five cabinet departments, slashing regulations, and withdrawing troops from overseas. During a Paul presidency, the U.S. government would cease being the world's policeman, and the empire would be liquidated in the interests of the both the economy and the Constitution.
> Such a radical and necessary shift in foreign policy would be difficult for those Americans dependent on the war economy and accustomed to seeing their government as a colossus bestriding the world. But now is the time for Americans to face reality and admit that our country's exalted global position has been a corrupting experience, and it is simply no longer affordable.
> Such a sharp reduction in the federal budget, coupled with much tighter monetary policy would stop the flow of so-called stimulus spending from the economy. This would be the beginning of a painful readjustment period, as people necessarily reduced their consumption, and the economy liquidated years of inflation and debt-financed malinvestment. Unemployment would likely go up in the short term as zombie firms deprived of their periodic fix of easy money went bankrupt, and government payrolls were thinned.
> But it would also be the beginning of genuine economic recovery, because the private sector, relieved of the burdens of a metastasized state, would begin to accumulate real capital and invest in viable enterprises. Real jobs, not government jobs, would be created, and Americans would soon find themselves earning more, because their currency, no longer devalued by the Fed's printing presses, would actually gain purchasing power.
> No doubt Keynesians would still be out there preaching the necessity of countercyclical fiscal and monetary policies and warning of the dire consequences of deflation. There would also be no shortage of hack politicians and rent-seeking special-interest groups willing to spread the Keynesian message of more government spending. And it would be naïve to expect the financial elite to sit quietly as their privileges were taken away. A few select firms on Wall Street reap enormous profits from the bond market, and under the current system they are free to engage in essentially risk-free speculation due to their "too-big-to-fail" status.

> Paul has defended his de-stimulus program to inquisitors by correctly pointing out that similar "austerity measures" have been very successful in the past in spurring economic recovery and therefore should be used as roadmaps for recovery today. During a recent appearance on NBC'sMeet the Press, Paul tutored host David Gregory on "the depression of 1946."

> Now, readers can be forgiven for not being familiar with the depression of 1946, because there actually wasn't one. But many Keynesian economists were predicting in 1945 the onset of economic depression as a consequence of peacetime demobilization. However, the exact opposite occurred, because the end of the war brought an enormous peace dividend in the form of a two-thirds reduction in government spending as well as the removal of most of the wartime economic regulations.
> Jason E. Taylor and Richard K. Vedder explain in greater detail in their article"Stimulus by Spending Cuts: Lessons from 1946":Historically minded readers may be saying, &147;There was a Depression in 1946? I never heard about that." You never heard of it because it never happened. However, the &147;Depression of 1946" may be one of the most widely predicted events that never happened in American history. As the war was winding down, leading Keynesian economists of the day argued, as Alvin Hansen did, that &147;the government cannot just disband the Army, close down munitions factories, stop building ships, and remove all economic controls." After all, the belief was that the only thing that finally ended the Great Depression of the 1930s was the dramatic increase in government involvement in the economy. In fact, Hansen's advice went unheeded. Government canceled war contracts, and its spending fell from $84 billion in 1945 to under $30 billion in 1946. By 1947, the government was paying back its massive wartime debts by running a budget surplus of close to 6 percent of GDP. The military released around 10 million Americans back into civilian life. Most economic controls were lifted, and all were gone less than a year after V-J Day. In short, the economy underwent what the historian Jack Stokes Ballard refers to as the &147;shock of peace." From the economy's perspective, it was the &147;shock of de-stimulus."Another historical precedent Paul can point to is the depression of 1920. Very few people have heard of this "economic crisis." This is most likely due to its short duration and the fact that Warren G. Harding, a president not held in high esteem by mainstream historians, was able to reverse it with laissez-faire policies that are anathema to Keynesian orthodoxy.

> Historian Thomas E. Woods Jr. provides this synopsis of Harding's successful de-stimulus program:The economic situation in 1920 was grim. By that year unemployment had jumped from 4 percent to nearly 12 percent, and GNP declined 17 percent. No wonder, then, that Secretary of Commerce Herbert Hoover falsely characterized as a supporter of laissez-faire economics urged President Harding to consider an array of interventions to turn the economy around. Hoover was ignored.Instead of "fiscal stimulus," Harding cut the government's budget nearly in half between 1920 and 1922. The rest of Harding's approach was equally laissez-faire. Tax rates were slashed for all income groups. The national debt was reduced by one-third. The Federal Reserve's activity, moreover, was hardly noticeable. As one economic historian puts it, "Despite the severity of the contraction, the Fed did not move to use its powers to turn the money supply around and fight the contraction." By the late summer of 1921, signs of recovery were already visible. The following year, unemployment was back down to 6.7 percent and it was only 2.4 percent by 1923.Paul's de-stimulus plan has been given the cold shoulder in Washington, DC, but that's to be expected. After all, politicians are in the business of dividing plunder, and proposing to take an axe to the federal budget is no way to win friends and influence people inside the Beltway. But most Americans are now skeptical of stimulus programs, because the plans have clearly failed to reverse the country's economic downturn. Indeed, more people are coming to realize that the orgy in government spending since 2008 has only accelerated the decline. Moreover, there is serious concern regarding the federal government's unprecedented budget deficits and their potential for sparking hyperinflation.
> Perhaps enough voters will come to realize that Paul is the only presidential candidate proposing policies that address the country's fundamental economic problems, and perhaps they will reward him appropriately for his insight and statesmanship.http://www.fff.org/comment/com1111c.asp

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Re: broke?

what is the alternative?

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 2:44 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:

Only 58 percent of Americans have a job right now.
Only 56 percent of Americans are currently covered by employer-
provided health insurance
The median yearly wage in the United States is $26,261
The average American household is carrying $75,600 in debt
Only the top 5 percent of U.S. households have earned enough
additional income to match the rise in housing costs since 1975.
At this point, American families are approximately 7.7 trillion
dollars poorer than they were back in early 2007
The poorest 50% of all Americans now own just 2.5% of all the wealth
in the United States.
Approximately 21 percent of all children in the United States were
living below the poverty line.
Today, there are more than 44 million Americans on food stamps, and
nearly half of them are children
Close to 20 percent of all American men between the ages of 25 and 54
do not have a job at the moment
Globalization forces Americans to accept that the coming decades are
likely to see U.S. standards of living decline relative to the rest of
the world.

According to Marx, capitalism will inevitably lead to ruin in
accordance with certain laws of economic movement. These laws are "the
Law of the Tendency of the Rate of Profit to Fall," "the Law of
Increasing Poverty," and "the Law of Centralization of Capital." Small
capitalists go bankrupt, and their production means are absorbed by
large capitalists. During the process of bankruptcy and absorption,
capital is gradually centralized by a few large capitalists, and the
entire middle class declines. Thus, two major classes, a small
minority of large capitalists, and a large proletarian majority are
formed.








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broke?

Only 58 percent of Americans have a job right now.
Only 56 percent of Americans are currently covered by employer-
provided health insurance
The median yearly wage in the United States is $26,261
The average American household is carrying $75,600 in debt
Only the top 5 percent of U.S. households have earned enough
additional income to match the rise in housing costs since 1975.
At this point, American families are approximately 7.7 trillion
dollars poorer than they were back in early 2007
The poorest 50% of all Americans now own just 2.5% of all the wealth
in the United States.
Approximately 21 percent of all children in the United States were
living below the poverty line.
Today, there are more than 44 million Americans on food stamps, and
nearly half of them are children
Close to 20 percent of all American men between the ages of 25 and 54
do not have a job at the moment
Globalization forces Americans to accept that the coming decades are
likely to see U.S. standards of living decline relative to the rest of
the world.

According to Marx, capitalism will inevitably lead to ruin in
accordance with certain laws of economic movement. These laws are "the
Law of the Tendency of the Rate of Profit to Fall," "the Law of
Increasing Poverty," and "the Law of Centralization of Capital." Small
capitalists go bankrupt, and their production means are absorbed by
large capitalists. During the process of bankruptcy and absorption,
capital is gradually centralized by a few large capitalists, and the
entire middle class declines. Thus, two major classes, a small
minority of large capitalists, and a large proletarian majority are
formed.

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do remember this one?

http://overpopulationisamyth.com/overpopulation-the-making-of-a-myth

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